Brandon Iron Talks About Rough Porn

Brandon IronLast week, VideoBox released Teen Line: The Blue Room, a very rough movie that spurred a lot of valid controversy. While I have opinions of my own about that kind of porn, I think that the best way to understand what happens on a porn set is to talk to the people who spend their time on porn sets. That’s why I tracked down Brandon Iron.

Brandon is a porn actor and the director of VB favorites like Photographic Mammaries, Intensities in 10 Cities and Bell Bottoms. He’s also well-known for his rougher lines (perhaps ‘notorious’ would be a better word) and I felt that he would bring a valuable perspective to the rough porn issue. Brandon very kindly agreed to take time out of his trip home to Canada to answer my questions. Read on for the in-depth and (I think) fascinating interview.



Alison: You’ve directed several series (Slap Happy, I Love it Rough, and Rampage) that feature slapping, choking and very rough sex. Do the girls you cast in movies like this know ahead of time what they can expect on-set?

Brandon: Absolutely, 100%. Proper casting is the most important thing a director can do to optimize the chances of getting a great scene. I hope to do it one of these days! In the meantime, I just follow my gut instinct by hiring women with whom I’ve had good chemistry in previous encounters or who tell me during interviews/first meetings that they enjoy their sex on the wild as opposed to mild side. I am thoroughly convinced after a decade in the business (and a fan for many more years, too) that perversions are not the exclusive domain of guys. There are some twisted sisters out there, too, and God bless ‘em!
Women always have the power to stop a scene, leave a scene, not take the job, etc. As a performer progresses in her career, she may opt to try things she becomes interested in. Rough sex may be one area she chooses to explore with select partners. I’ve seen it happen and believe the curiosity to be real.

Alison: Most directors get their talent through agencies – how do you cast your movies, particularly the ones you know will be on the rough side?

Brandon: I do get to meet many women in the business and have developed a sixth sense, if you will, about where they stand with respect to many things, including rough sex. I have grown as a person and as a performer, too, in that I have learned to listen to what turns a woman on….really turns her on. It turns out all you have to do is ask her! Who knew??

There are many good agents in the business, too, who interview their talent and market them towards specific niches. For example, Mark Speigler represents several women who are known for their enjoyment of rough sex. These include but are not limited to: Annette Schwarz, who still has no limits as far as I can tell; Lorelei Lee; Sasha Grey; Adrianna Nichole; Bobbi Star; and Madison Young. Most, if not all, of these women have worked for fetish and bondage companies such as kink.com and fuckedandbound.com. They do great scenes. If opportunities arise to do similar work, they accept. It’s as easy and as difficult as that. Trust gets built up too, the more you see people on set or hear about reputations. I’ve had it go both ways: some women have avoided work with me based on things they have heard; others have sought me out or requested me.

Alison: When people who are not fans of rough sex see movies that depict it, a common reaction is that the girls couldn’t be enjoying themselves while being treated that way. Do you think there are many actresses who perform in those scenes who are putting up with it simply for the paycheck?

Brandon: It’s easy to generalize but I have witnessed moments of pure bliss in the faces of women when they are being dominated. Granted, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed and this business can make you jaded….very jaded, in fact. I have seen most things that can be done to an orifice. What I am surprised at once in a great while is a moment of clarity when I see an expression of absolute joy on a woman’s face as she is slapped, flogged, whipped, pinched, verbally degraded, or humiliated. I don’t pretend to know the precursors to the response, but I know I have witnessed it first hand on many occasions. You can’t fake it. It’s real. It’s visceral.

Khan Tusion, the director who did the seminal Rough Sex series for Anabolic several years ago, compared it to taking a ride on a roller coaster. You know you are going to be alright at the end; you just enjoy the thrill of the ride. I’m convinced that many women get bored with vanilla-style sex and want to explore all aspects of their sexuality. Some days it may be through dominance. Other days it may be through submission. The path that leads to the highest satisfaction is the one that will be pursued.

Take Belladonna, for example. Consummate professional in front and behind the camera. She would never ask a woman to do anything she would not do herself. This leads to a level of trust and comfort that you are free to be as dirty or degrading as you want. A true exhibitionist wants to do great work for the sake of the work itself. I believe the paycheck is secondary. A woman who earns $15,000 in a month will not care if it becomes $13,000 or $17,000 the next month. She reaches a comfort zone and then takes on challenges. The exhilarating part for a true slut is to capture moments of pleasure/pain and share them with others.

Another example is provided by Sandra Romain. She can be the ultimate goddess to worship if that’s who you want her to be. Or, conversely, she will grovel at your feet to please you. I’ve seen both sides. Granted, she may be more comfortable being dominant but she is intelligent enough to know that this business is ALL about fantasy fulfillment. She is there to provide pleasure first and foremost. It’s amazing if you can conjoin the acts of giving pleasure with taking it for yourself simultaneously.

Alison: Have you ever encountered an actress who ended up being unable to handle rough treatment after shooting had already begun? If so, what happened?

Brandon: Yes, it’s only natural for this to happen and it’s no one’s fault. It’s like when you go to a buffet and your eyes are bigger than your stomach. You take too much and regret it. The best thing to do at this point is stop and re-evaluate boundaries/parameters/comfort zones. I’ve found that a woman who cannot take a hard slap to the face will have no problem whatsoever taking much harsher treatment to her buttocks. Compromises are made. Karma is invoked so that nothing you do to your partner comes back on you. Being sensitive to your partner’s overall well-being will allow you to go places far more interesting and exciting. I don’t want to pretend that I knew this all along. Time in the industry has brought the tiniest bit of sexual maturity that I hope to continue for as long as I am in front of the camera.
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I recall Britney Blue cracking under pressure during a scene for Slap Happy. The roughness was immediately toned down and we worked our way through it. She was given the option to stop but all she wanted was a little less intensity. She and I worked together again months later and had a good time. It’s all about communicating.

Alison: There are several directors – for example, Max Hardcore or Khan Tusion who’ve gained a reputation for misogyny not only among viewers, but also inside the adult industry. Do you think that’s an accurate characterization?

Brandon: I agree that there are perceptions like that in the industry but I’m not convinced that it’s deserved. People will always vilify and attack those who represent the extreme. I still have yet to find a true held-against-her-will, gun-pointed-to-the-head sex slave in porn. I have seen performers who suffer from issues dealing with self-esteem, drug abuse, depression, and parenting (both from their own mother and father as well as their own children). No one is forced to go to AIM Healthcare to have their blood drawn, go to a set, and do a scene. Choices are made for better or worse. Do most of these girls in very strong scenes only do these types of scenes to the exclusion of others? No. Hillary Scott, a former AVN Performer of the Year, worked several times for Max Hardcore. She sought out that type of work and enjoyed it. I know this from first-hand conversations with her.

Performing hardcore sex in front of a camera is not something that everyone should try. Even amongst performers, harder scenes are probably not the ones you want to do during your first week/month/year…whatever time frame you need to truly get to know yourself and who you are both on and off camera.

Alison: What do you think the appeal is of rough movies for viewers? There is widespread feeling that people who enjoy this sort of material deviate significantly, taste-wise, from the normal porn viewer – would you say that’s accurate?

Brandon: I think there has never been the variety and scope of adult viewing material available to consenting adults in all of time. There is more production now than ever. There are more women — and men — in the industry than ever. While I don’t have statistics to back this up, I just know by the raw numbers of releases, websites, and anecdotal evidence of friends who perform, too. With more production comes more opportunities to explore different aspects of sexuality. I worked for kink.com and fuckedandbound.com. Both are successful online ventures because people seek out this type of content and I will venture a guess that 10 years from now this type of content will be considered passé if not mainstream. Like Elvis Presley’s hip shaking being too risqué for television in the 1950s, things that have a tendency to shock and appall at one point in time tend to become more socially accepted later on.

I’m all for women using the business instead of it using them. Once parameters of acceptable behavior are determined, female performers should feel free to express themselves through as many ways and means as possible. Want to be a big slut and get paid to do it? Go for it! Just get your head on straight and pursue each job 100%. Shock your fans. Shock yourself, too. Don’t leave any page in your dirty diary unturned.

Alison: As it is, rough scenes show up in a lot of generic gonzo movies, but it seems that audiences have very strong feelings one way or the other about them. Do you think that rough sex should be its own separate genre the way BDSM is?

Brandon: Not at all! As a longtime fan, my tastes ran more and more towards intense, unchoreographed performances that showed people really, truly, and thoroughly enjoying each other’s bodies. Boring, mundane, repetitive scenes just become exactly that: boring, mundane, and repetitive. The bad acting and silly setups only made me feel inadequate and unfulfilled. I was watching D-cup bimbos with C-level acting chops in XXX-rated productions.

Then a few diamonds in the rough were found. I remember watching Rocco Siffredi’s work and just being blown away by its intensity, immediacy, and reality. There was acting to a degree but there was also something more happening. Movies that featured Sandy or (later on) Kelly seemed to really capture moments of pure servitude to Rocco. As a viewer, I was just transfixed that a woman would give herself so completely. As a fan, I want to witness scenes like that. As a director, I hope to capture moments like that. It hasn’t happened yet…but that’s a good thing. It keeps you chasing that elusive, libido-affirming ecstasy. So forget pigeon-holing and categorizing sex into genres and sub-genres. Just be true to your own tastes and seek out what turns you on. As Joey Silvera once told me, “Shoot things that turn you on…truly turn you on. Your audience will find you.”

Turns out he’s right! At least there is one place I can be found: www.brandoniron.com. Drop by and say hi anytime.


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45 Responses to “Brandon Iron Talks About Rough Porn”

  1. genegenie Says:

    AVN should take note about how to write an interesting article.

  2. zarafan Says:

    I agree that this was an interesting interview–I’m pleasantly surprised at how self-deprecating he is–and I hope it will be followed by conversations with other performers.

    Brandon himself is right that Rocco Siffredi is one of the most interesting and entertaining performer/directors in the business; he has a way of making relatively rough sex look pleasurable for the performers and the audience, and his less intense stuff is seldom boring or rote. I think part of his wisdom as a director is, as Brandon suggests, to know his audience and his performers in advance of filming a scene. Another secret to his success is to work with top-quality women in almost all his films: the ultimate source of amazement and wonder where porno is concerned!

    I don’t like “rough sex” as a genre and I certainly don’t like films such as “The Blue Room” at all. Brandon’s less violent series like “XXX Road Trip” and “Hardcore Training” are among my favorite titles on VB. “Rough Sex” can get just as repetitious, formulaic, and boring as the supposedly “vanilla” stuff–take a look at Lee Stone’s movies, if you doubt me!!

  3. ropeadope2 Says:

    Excellent piece of journalism, Alison. Brandon was the perfect person to seek out for an article of this nature. I’m continually amazed how deep within the industry your tentacles reach. However, this does represent one side of the story. Maybe in the future, we can hear from some of the female performers themselves? For example, I would love to hear the thoughts of Cody Lane, Tia Tanaka, etc. on their scenes from Teen Line: The Blue Room. I know Brandon wasn’t specifically involved with that movie, but it would be enlightening to see whether Cody and Tia echo the viewpoints that Brandon presented here.

  4. alison Says:

    zarafan – I think the thing that both Rocco and Brandon do incredibly well is casting. A rough scene between people with no chemistry is pretty awful to watch. But those directors know exactly who to pair up or work with so that the scene is passionate instead of painful looking.

    rope – Thanks. I actually did try to get in touch with Cody, but for reasons that aren’t appropriate for a public forum, she couldn’t be reached. I’m definitely keeping my “tentacles” on the lookout for that type of interview though. ;)

  5. sundubys Says:

    Bravo Alison! Bravo belisimo! I was saying to myself “I havent heard from Alison for a couple days” and then you dropped this gourmet interview on us! It was so awesome I had to call my man james and ask him what you look like… He told me good things dont worry…

    Let me just say that “Brandon Iron” is a class act one of the most classiest people you can meet ever, and I was so thrilled to see this interview cause I’ve been reading all these posts about how people dont like rough sex, or why would they treat a girl like that?

    Look I’m not a big fan of really rough sex, like in that one video with Cody Lane, but my man James he explained it to the affect that these girls no what’s up, and what’s going to happen, it’s not like they get to the set, and the director is like “ok bitch, your going to take 3 dicks like you never took 3 dicks before” Nooooo, Hell no these porn stars no what thier getting into when they get to the shoot, and they start prepping. All of these so called “rough female porn stars” believe or not like that shit, they got into it after tasting the “Vanilla flavor” of porn, but decided to taste other flavors which they choose to do.

  6. The skeptic Says:

    I also have to say that I don’t want to hear from women currently in the business of doing these type videos – of course they’re going to say everything is hunky dory – that’s their meal ticket and car payments. Call up a three or four retired performers and ask their opinions, and I’ll be more convinced.

  7. speakeroftheobvious Says:

    Interesting. Regardless of how much you believe or don’t want to listen to Mr. Iron he makes some statements that stuck out in my mind. The comment about how 10 years from now these things may be considered old and traditional. I can see how that holds true. Look at movies now, Oral Sex is “mainstream” movies and Anal intercourse is no longer considered its own genre, but instead is something that appears as just a “regular” part of a scene between performers. The thing I sometimes wonder though, is whether things become considered the norm because we grow as a society and are more accepting, or if it is something else along the lines of us being desensitized to what should be new and shocking. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with pushing the boundaries, traditional movies excel the way they do for trying unique and startling things.
    I sometimes just wonder if we as a society have become more accepting of porn to a point where we begin to expect more from it than just sex, but instead think that’s outdated and demand newer, more extreme acts to be depicted. Is that where the hitting, choking, double penetrations and rimming come from? The part of our mind that is bored with “regular” sex and now wants to see things that used to be outrageous and quirky in our mainstream movies? When the sub-genre becomes the mainstream, what happens to the old mainstream? Who watches the watchmen? Why do fools fall in love?
    All questions that can’t really be answered per-se but are worth mulling over. I myself hope for a day when a pornographic movie comes with a free bag of cool-ranch potato chips. Nothing is better than nudity and snacks.

  8. HotScooter2 Says:

    Hi Alison:

    Cyberhug. Gotta ask is that you pictured with Brandon Iron in the interview? I can understand if you choose not to answer for security reasons. Good interview and i miss it when you have not done a blog in a while

  9. dizzle55 Says:

    looks like alot to mull over. i might have to revisit/re-read the interview a few times over. but while im here, thanks to Alison for the quick turn around. its been just over a week since the update, the reaction and this post. some great questioned were posed too. Brandon reads like a really nice guy, but i think rope makes a point. and i love the idea of ‘rough stuff’ standing on its own, genre-wise. its apparently polarizing enough that it shouldnt be billed as a second string nuance. and if its as integral as its been billed recently, it could probably take its own blows.

  10. alison Says:

    sundubys – Thank you. I think…

    The skeptic – That’s a good point. Although in Cody’s case, my understanding is that she’s out of the business (at the moment), so she might make an interesting interview. That said, I’ll see what I can do about tracking down some ex-pornstars to get their take.

    speakeroftheobvious – The question of where porn will push sex – and itself – is one I’ve been mulling over for a few years. It seems like things get more and more extreme…what’s left? I’m almost afraid to find out. Unless it really is cool ranch potato chips. I love those things.

    HotScooter2 – Cyberhug :) As for the picture, unfortunately it is not me. That is the lovely Amy Ried. I’ve worked in the industry for a while, but never as talent (as pornstars are somewhat euphemistically called).

    dizzle55 – When I asked Brandon about rough sex as a genre, I sort of expected him to want to differentiate it. I’m still a little surprised he didn’t, but I see his point. I also see where people who aren’t into it are coming from. I did categorization for another website for a while and whenever a pretty aggressive movie would come out, I wanted to categorize it differently, but (as with most porn) the lines are blurry a lot of the time. There’s no doubt when something’s anal, but the definition of things like “rough sex” or “big boobs” or even “blonde” gets contentious at times. That’s not to say we shouldn’t try, but it’s worth noting that one man’s rough sex is another man’s vanilla.

  11. Kemuri Says:

    Nice article.

    Honestly I don’t mind rough sex, it’s gotten to the point where I actually expect it. But that Cody Lane vid(where she starts out getting choked while being interviewed) was a bit too much for me.

  12. HotScooter2 Says:

    Hi Alison:

    you are my favorite cyberhug,at least for now lol. As for how you look i leave it to my imagination.You don’t wish to give out this info and i respect it. i will try not to ask again. As Rope suggested, i would love to hear Cody’s side of things as i think they will be considerably different than Brandon’s,as she was on the recieving end of the violence and not the giving.

  13. HotScooter2 Says:

    Alison:
    Please let me rephrase that. Brandon was not on the giving end of the violence with cody as i had implied but has been with other women in other DVD’s. thanks for letting me clarify that

  14. dirtybirdy Says:

    What do you think this is? Playboy? We don’t pretend to be here for the articles. ;) Damn, this is going to take me a while to read.

  15. Strangepork Says:

    Roleplay and trying new things are all healthy and good when the participants know what they are in for, but when you watch the scene, all of that context is usually missing. Most women do not like to be treated that way, and most guys are raised not to treat women like that. But the fantasy of these scenes seems to be that you can treat women like shit without consequences. Then again, many people watch porn to see things that they can’t or wouldn’t do in their normal sex lives.

    I guess I’m conflicted when it comes to this type of material. I like to see the ladies enjoy themselves, and it would seem that some really enjoy being treated that way… but the enjoyment of the participants isn’t always clear to the viewers.

  16. sundubys Says:

    Just as the saying goes one mans trash is another mans treasure…

  17. davros Says:

    A very nice bit or work, Allison. Very well written, and I’ve dabbled in that sort of thing before, so I think I’m a decent judge of that sort of thing. The interview you put together had very good flow. You should be proud.

    And I have to say that I have to agree with what Rope said. I think an interview put together with women who like it on the rougher side about their views on the same subject would be a nice little companion piece.

    My personal preference for porn usually gives a wide berth to those titles where it looks like the women are being being treated poorly. Not a big fan of the gagging, spitting, choking, slapping, etc. But there must be a market for it out there, and I don’t think so many performers would do these type of scenes when they are forced.

    I remember reading articles many years ago about certain male porn stars who would “surprise” their female counterparts with rough sex scenes, but I think that is more the exception to the rule instead of the norm.

    Okay, I’ve said my piece. It’s someone else’s turn now.

  18. alison Says:

    Kemuri – Thank you.

    HotScooter2 – I’m in danger of no longer being your favorite cyberhug? Jeez. :) I hear what you’re saying about the giving/receiving side of that kind of treatment. I’ve already got my feelers out for a future interview with one of the stars who do that sort of work.

    dirtybirdy – Print it out. I bet it’d make great bathroom reading ;P

    Strangepork – I think I struggle with those same issues on this topic. And maybe there’s no good answer, but the way I’ve drawn my own line is that scenes where the performers are obviously into the dynamic are watchable and sometimes even great scenes, but stuff like Teen Line doesn’t adhere to that standard. It’s kind of a murky issue.

    davros – Thanks. I remember hearing something like that a few years ago where Janine Lindemulder accused Rocco of being excessively rough with her and even cutting the tip off of a condom after she told him she wasn’t on the pill. As far as I know, it’s a true story…sketchy things do happen in porn, unfortunately.

  19. papayaman Says:

    Let me add my congratulations on a fascinating interview. Some very interesting comments have also emerged from the discussions. I find myself agreeing that there is a tendency to be desensitised by porn so that producers are forced to continually up the ante and produce ever stronger material in order to keep an audience. It does make you wonder what will become the norm in 10 years time. However, I dont think we need worry about the situation of the women in the films given that they will (certainly in most if not all cases) have agreed to the broad content of the scenes they appear in. Clearly there may be a concern if there are cases of a woman being abused against her wishes, but these can presumably be dealt with by the law. The issue for sites like this is how to help those who dislike rough sex avoid it. Perhaps a partial answer lies in categorising the porn so that those who dislike a particular flavour can avoid it. Of course there are already categories that incorporate an element of violence/roughness like BDSM and gonzo – but BDSM would not really cover some of the things that have been complained about like slapping, whilst gonzo seems to have lost any meaning because everything seems to be classified as gonzo now. Perhaps when films like Blue Room turn up they could be posted under a category of rough sex so that we know they will depict some violent behaviour towards women and those of us who dislike it can avoid it.

  20. davros Says:

    Allison, I never heard of that Rocco story, but I did read some things about T.T. Boy being rough and a jerk with the talent.

  21. The skeptic Says:

    In the particular case of that Cody movie, maybe if the cover and title had been a bit more explicit about what we were gonna see, those of us who don’t prefer rough could have avoided it more easily.

  22. zarafan Says:

    Of course where “Blue Room” is concerned, we had an abundance of disturbing screen caps to make it completely clear that this film is unsuitable for anyone possessing eyes and/or ears. I think the screen caps in general are one of the best features of the site; they are usually well chosen and probably 90% of the time they give you enough information to know if you want to download a scene or not (though certainly not enough for you to know if you want to keep it on your hard drive once you’ve dl’d it…). All of which is to say, as ever, keep up the great work VB, and thanks, Alison!

  23. hiflyin77 Says:

    First off, Alison, great interview. This blog has really become something I really look forward to on VB

    Now, with all due respect “zarafan”, I can make my own decisions about what is suitable and unsuitable for myself, as I’m sure that everyone else here can as well. Personally I like rough sex. I think it can be a big turn on if it’s done the right way. I understand that it can be controversial, but so were so many other things that are considered normal in the world today.

    Let me be very clear here. I DO NOT CONDONE THE ABUSE OF WOMEN. Let’s be fair though. As Brandon said, these women are well aware of what type of film they are doing. They have the option to stop anytime they want, and on top of it are getting paid rather well to do this.

    I’m sorry, I don’t mean to rant on and on. It just bothers me when these movies come out and all of a sudden the crowd comes out and starts defending these girls like they were actually pulled off the street and forced to do this. Just keep this last thought in mind. In a BDSM type of situation, the submisive is actually the one in control.

  24. Strangepork Says:

    I find it easier to watch rough scenes when the woman is verbally requesting the guy to do those things to her, but I don’t think that fits the submissive fantasy idea, where it is supposed to look like she is willing to do whatever the guy wants her to do, no matter how degrading. I wonder if it spoils the fantasy for those who like the rough scenes when interview or BTS footage shows that it’s all in good fun? Because sometimes that would be all it takes to make these scenes less offensive. I remember one scene really freaked me out, until I saw the post-scene interview where she was smiling and laughing about it all…

  25. Brinkman Says:

    I like variety in porn and the rough stuff is good for variety, but some of the conventions of rough porn have become too mainstream. For instance, I’m tired of watching some woodsman roughly fuck a girls throat. When I saw it at first, it was interesting, now that I see it all the time, it’s boring. It’s the same with super-sloppy blowjobs. Sure a girl getting all messy wet was a change of pace, but I don’t want to see long dangling lines of saliva ALL the time. I’ve seen some of Brandon’s Slap Happy work and it’s really interesting when I’m in the mood for that kind of thing. But, having seen him in behind the scene footage, he’s very obviously no psychopath – he seems completely normal. Some of the male talent in rough scenes seem anything but. Tony T for instance. I won’t watch any scene that involves him. He seems like he genuinely hates women. I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if spent his non-porn time strangling prostitutes Green River Killer style.

  26. Costigan Says:

    I think this is merely a fantasy issue. Fantasy meaning something you desire, but know you will never recieve; and you might say that this is a very strange thing to fantasize over, most would never treat a woman like this, let alone know any woman who would let them treat her like this. Since most know this isn’t real, maybe they just like watching this type of video… and I’m not quite sure how this site works on most computers, but I had the option to download it.

  27. raunchyrajah Says:

    Alison, excellent interview. There are a couple of historical points to make:
    1) The intersection between fantasy sex and fantasy violence is very complex; for example, BDSM films have been around for years, but by and large do not feature traditional sex. The girls (or men) are teased, spanked, humiliated, etc., but not always penetrated or “violated.” There are complicated psychological theories as to why this might be appealing, but for “mainstream” porn producers/consumers, bondage/pain films were “separate” from fuck films.
    2) In the last ten years, with the growth of “rough sex” videos, there was a VERY serious reaction WITHIN the industry to police itself. Vivid (and other “softer” companies) actually had a list of rules for their directors about what would or would not be acceptable behavior (and also forbade directors from hiring notoriously “rough” male performers like T.T. Boy). This lead to people like Rob Black trying to create even more extreme scenes (i.e., “rape” scenes) as a kind of “Fuck you” to the industry.
    3) Personally, while I have no desire to watch these rougher videos, I believe that (as long as the performers are completely consenting, obviously) they should be allowed to be made and watched by those who like it or are curious. However, there is a larger concern, as it is EXACTLY this kind of video that has been the target of government prosecution in the last few years. In the 80s and 90s, the government tried to define “community standards” for pornography by prosecuting/harrassing companies and distributors who made interracial and homosexual videos and tried to sell them in conservative parts of the country — they failed. Since the Bush administration, the focus has shifted towards prosecuting these “violent” films, hoping to enlist second-wave feminists in their cause. Their most recent attempts to declare violent porn “obscene” failed — see info at http://www.sexwork.com/legal/ExtremeSummary.html (or google “Rob Black court case” for more) — but history indicates that they are likely to try this course of action again, most likely with material that features women in humiliating and degrading or violent situations (there is, I believe, a strong attempt to define bukkake films as obscenity, at least according to a sociologist I spoke to in conjunction with my research two years ago).

    This kind of prosecution and public discourse that equates pornography with violence against women threatens the industry as a whole. As long as the right wing and the anti-porn feminists have scenes like this that sexualize violence (even if it is a “fantasy”), they have ammunition to go to public officials and the justice system that allows them to make the argument for eradicating ALL pornography. As long as they can point to this (and the problem of child porn, which has nothing to do with the mainstream industry), the public is likely to be sympathetic to that claim.

    Thus, while I in theory defend the right of producers and consumers to create and watch this stuff, I can only do so with the warning that pushing too many boundaries or trying to bring violent porn into more mainstream fare might be damaging to the industry in both the short and long term.

  28. Out4fun3 Says:

    Allison:
    I echo most other sentiments. Very interesting article and had a nice flow to it. I too like rope would like to hear from some of the actresses that participate in these type of vids.

    I am curious about your background around the porn industry.

    I am continuosly impressed with your rational and logical thought process as I read about the various topics (I find it kind of sensuous). It takes away the stigma surrounding porn that it is just a bunch of faceless pervs going into a dark booth secretly watching in anonymity.

  29. alison Says:

    papayaman – Thank you kindly. I definitely don’t think categorizing rougher scenes is a bad idea…just a big challenge. But based on all of the feedback I’ve been getting from you guys, I’ve started talking to the content department about how we can make it happen.

    zarafan – Thank you. :)

    hiflyin77 – Thanks. Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about the idea of having a category specifically for rough movies?

    Strangepork – I think I’m with you on feeling more comfortable when the woman is an active participant in her submission. It goes a long way to allay any fears that she might be unhappy about the way she’s being treated.

    Brinkman – There are several guys in the business I think are total assholes and can’t stand to watch their scenes. Did you hear about the controversy that surrounded the movie “Donkey Punch” when it was released? The guys in that movie were great examples of the kinds of misogynists that get into porn.

    raunchyrajah – Thanks. My perspective on the Extreme case at the time and to this day is that they took things too far. Which isn’t to say they didn’t have a First Amendment right to make whatever movies they wanted, but they put the rest of the industry in danger with their irresponsible behavior. Rob Black has since grown up a bit and apologized. And people like Max Hardcore continue to do whatever they can to draw negative attention to the industry. So it goes. Have you read the Cambria list? It might be worth checking out if you haven’t since you seem to have an interest in the subject matter.

    Out4fun3 – Thank you very much. My experience, in a nutshell, is in selling porn and sex toys over the internet and writing about porn. I’ve worked for a few sites over the years, as well as maintained an active interest in the discourse surrounding porn generally. It seems ridiculous to me that something pretty much everyone does is shrouded in so much stigma and shame.

  30. Bob Says:

    As a note, in the Tia Tanaka scene in Blue Room, at about 2:30 she basically tells the male talent to tone down the face slapping. And they do for the rest of the scene.

  31. Brandon Iron Says:

    It may be of interest to some that I have learned a valuable lesson in the last couple of years: the best way to learn to dominate is to submit. I have had the privilege to be in a position of servitude to the asses, pussies, and feet of some gorgeous women for face-sitting videos (ASSES OF FACE DESTRUCTION series from Buttman`s Choice, Evil Angel), http://www.meanbitches.com, and some amazon sites, too. I have had my face slapped, I have been gagged, I have been verbally degraded, and I have been put in many uncomfortable situations. These ranged from having my cock and balls clothes-pinned into a `Christmas tree`to having hot wax poured on me to being flogged until I was screaming for a break. It`s all in good fun, of course, and it`s interesting to be on the receiving end. I can assure you that I am familiar with boundaries and would never cross anyone`s. Having said that, the most memorable moments were those when I was brought to the brink and then pulled back. There is no terror quite like the terror of feeling you are going to be suffocated by a big, beautiful ass.

  32. ropeadope2 Says:

    Hello Brandon, so wonderful of you to be participating on the blog. I’m a big fan of your work, both in front of and behind the camera. Very much enjoyed your interview with Alison. I can’t resist asking a question that’s off the current topic, after all, how often do you have the ear of Brandon Iron? You directed Haley Paige in Photographic Mammaries #2 and I believe, performed a brief scene with her in Sack Lunch #1 from Kick Ass (which I haven’t seen). Haley is very popular here at VideoBox and is a personal favorite of mine. I haven’t been able to make sense of the whole situation. Do you have any reflections regarding Haley that you can share with her many fans here? Thank you for listening and hope you visit the blog often.

    PS – Next time you speak to Alison, maybe you can convince her to bring the “Rampage” series to VideoBox. Your scene with Jenna Haze and Luna (Lane) from Rampage #4 is an all time classic.

  33. intheknow Says:

    Rope, WCP currently does not license content otherwise you would be seeing it.

  34. ropeadope2 Says:

    intheknow – Yes, you are correct. Maybe they’ll see the light down the road. Thank you, much appreciated.

  35. papayaman Says:

    Alison, I guess you picked up on the weakness in my suggestion of a classification for rough sex, namely that one person’s rough is another’s vanilla. I suspect Brandon Iron’s work would seem pretty mild compared with some of the stuff Max Hardcore puts out. I must admit that Max Hardcore takes things to an extreme where I feel it has little or nothing to do with sex – for example making girls puke on various nasty substances just isnt a turn-on for me, its not sexy in any sense. However, the site seems to stay away from that sort of extreme material and this may make it a little less problematic to work up criteria for classifying films. Zarafan also makes a valid point that at least in the case of Blue Room, it should have been obvious from the caps that the film contained some ‘rough’ content. Perhaps the answer lies in a combination of the caps and some form of classification.

    Apart from being impressed by Raunchyrajah’s learned discourse, I feel he makes a crucial point noting that violence is being targeted by the various self-appointed guardians of public morality as a way of attacking porn. The complicating factor is that, as he observes, the intersection between sex and violence (not just at the level of fantasy IMHO), is complicated. Lots of people are stimulated by some element of roughness in their sex and that includes women as well as men. In the UK we actually call it ’slap and tickle’ and whilst this is a somewhat jokey term for sex it does sum up that sex can involve both elements of tenderness and ‘roughness’. That means it may be hard for porn to completely divorce sex from some measure of violence. By that I dont mean beating your partner up or something so extreme, but I have known women who liked being spanked for example. This connection between ’slap’ and ‘tickle’ in turn means that porn producers and sites like this have a tricky line to negotiate.

  36. missupac Says:

    hey rope you seem to be the man with all the answers around here… some of the categories arent as specific as they could be… i like DP DA DV but its difficult to find DV and DA specifically… could you list from memory or other source of credible info what vids/scenes contain DV? I think stretching her to the max falls into the rough sex category.. if not i apologize i dont know where else to post my question… thanks

  37. ropeadope2 Says:

    missupac – Just to make sure we’re on the same page with the abbreviations: DP = Double Penetration, DAP = Double Anal Penetration, DPP = Double Pussy Penetration. The following scenes should satisy the DPP request.
    High Desert Ho’s scene 2 (Harmony Rose) 1/20/08, Fashionably Laid scene 4 (Shayna Knight) 9/27/07, Black Cherry #2 scene 4 (Nana) 7/29/07, Happy 18th Birthday To Me #1 scene 5 (Dani) 2/12/07, 1st Time Teens #4 scene 1 (Cali Lynn) 1/13/07, Miami Maidens #7 scene 1 (Natasha) 11/10/06, Asian Lust #8 scene 3 (Rose) 11/8/06, Pussyman’s Big Tit Paradise #1 scene 5 (Bridgette Kerkove) 7/12/06, Black Dicks in White Chicks #6 scene 2 (Scarlet Haze) 12/3/05, Just Over Eighteen #8 scene 3 (Candi) 12/1/05, Just Over Eighteen #8 scene 5 (Kayla Marie) 12/1/05, Brand New #2 scene 6 (Soma) 11/16/05.

  38. missupac Says:

    you ARE the shit rope! thanks, if you think of any more holla at me!

  39. Blingo526 Says:

    I think that video Teen line was awesome i dont think that hurting women is a good thing at all but Cody Lane must be up for that sort of thing and getting paid shit loads of cash for doing it. I thought she looked so hot i definitely need more videos of her. I think a sub category for rough sex would be great as for me its a mood thing sometimes i just want to see women getting used is that bad? I don’t know everyone has their preferences i guess

  40. darkseid Says:

    If you read the reviews for Teen Blue Line a lot of people freaked. But that’s nothing, go to facialabuse.com and you’ll find scenes of girls cowering and crying over the rough treatment. Some of the vids from eastern europe where they dont care about girls are even worse. I saw one scene where a girl was in a lot of pain during a rough anal scene and started to cry. You could hear the director yell off camera “shut-up bitch” and they banged her even harder. It was truly horrible.

  41. Treblig Says:

    Hi Allison,

    I was wondering if Brandon’s response was copied verbatim or “doctored” appropriately post interview.

    Thanks,

  42. Matt Says:

    You know how you all cry about seeing Lee Stone in a video, that it ruins it for you. Stone dosen’t bother me but I cannot stand to watch this Brandon Iron moron. He ruins every scene and can’t produce or direct. The guy is so hung up on himself it is so obvious. He grosses me out so bad that I want to toss cookies. I can’t believe VB would stoop this low to interview him. Just ridiculous!

  43. alison Says:

    Treblig – It was an email interview, so the responses are verbatim what he sent me.

  44. Alexander Says:

    I Loved His Slap Happy Videos. The Best! I Hope Video Box Continues To Post More Hardcore Material.

  45. Brandon Iron Says:

    No worries, Matt. I suggest you just avoid product you don’t like. If you are ever in a position of confusing Lee Stone and me, I’m the short, balding guy. Lee’s the big bodybuilder guy.

    I consider myself to be incredibly lucky to get to do what I do. I never forget it, either.