Friday Poll: Has Porn Become Too Hardcore?


This week, we released a movie called Sexy Secretaries #2. Member UncaYimmy2 made a comment on it that, as of this writing, has received 81 positive bangs:

This video reminds me that in the old days the women wore lingerie a lot more often. I kind of miss that. Then again, I miss a neatly trimmed bush and natural boobs. I also have fond memories of when anal sex was a novelty and DP was hard core. Back then nobody choked a girl, made her gag and spit, or expected her to expel fluids out of her pussy. Man, how sad that I’m sounding like a old man bitching about how porn was better when I was coming up (pardon the pun). Of course, back then you just beat off and went to sleep instead of writing reviews for your online buddies.

That comment got me thinking. Has porn progressed in the wrong direction? Is mainstream porn now too much for most fans? Are people looking for something a little softer? You tell me.

Has Porn Gotten Too Hardcore?

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26 Responses to “Friday Poll: Has Porn Become Too Hardcore?”

  1. PeterMc Says:

    I can do without DP’s and choking and stuff but if there’s no anal in a scene I won’t even bother watching it apart from Jenna Jameson.

  2. fedor Says:

    Perfect post! I was just thinking about this. I think so much porn has gone out of the way of reality it doesn’t even mean a fantasy for me anymore as some of this is something I would never want to do. I don’t want to see a girl
    slapped
    -choked
    -spit on
    -drink cum shot into a cup and slurped from a straw
    -drink cum that she squatted from her ass
    -drink squatted ass cum and baby bird it to someone else
    -fuck a guys ass with a dildo strapped to her head (yeah its here on this site)
    -on and on…which is why I can’t tolerate douchebags like Lee Stone.
    I don’t mind anal since its a favorite of mine in both porn and real life but seeing a bed post shoved up Audrey ass just doesn’t do it for me. To site extremes, girls like Audrey and Tory Lane don’t even get my motor started but Presley Maddox and Brooke make me fall in love with porn again.
    My favorite scenes are still blowjob, handjob, lesbian, anal and creampie. Everything else is just out of reality for me and what most girls will do unless they have a specific fetish.
    I want something in porn that I can “get done.” Although I did have a girl who was into being choked I didn’t like it. I was constantly scared of breaking her neck since she desired a lot of pressure.
    Anyway…I probably went into too detail here…oh well…lol

  3. fedor Says:

    Oh and dammit…I am sick of the shaved bush.
    Trimmed = Hooray for sex!
    Shaved = Bleh!

  4. xposh Says:

    Voted “I don’t care. Porn’s porn.” Care about quality over anything else.

  5. deathdealer Says:

    I voted “Not really. I don’t mind the harder action. It’s not like softer stuff doesn’t exist anymore.” However I like some of the softer stuff when I am in the mood. And the harder stuff when I am in that mood(the Blue Room dvd went to far for me). I think it depends on peoples mood and what they are into. Anyway that is my opinion. Peace

  6. papayaman Says:

    I dont think its so much whether it is hardcore that is the issue. The question is more one of whether or not we are being invited to get off on something that looks like it is being done against the girl’s will and to put her down. I suspect a lot of us really object to being made to feel like we are colluding with people like Ben Bratt or Tony T in demeaning a woman in a way she apparently finds distressing. It was clear for example that Tia Tanaka really did not like all the slapping in Blue Room and she looked genuinely distressed at having her face pushed into the toilet at the end. On the other hand I can remember a scene where Sasha Grey is slapped around a bit by Dirty Harry and she slaps him back, which if anything adds to the spice of the scene. I think hardcore action can be really great. IMHO some of the hottest scenes on the site involve girls like Lucy Thai or Tiffany Holliday doing things like taking anal cream pies, receiving double penetration, gaping their orifices and so forth. Like Deathdealer says it is a question of mood. Sometimes I want something more vanilla, but other times I want to see a girl doing something really dirty. But the thing about the Lucy and Tiffany scenes I like is that the girl is a willing participant. The main thing is I dont want to see a girl apparently having something inflicted on her that is against her will and that distresses her.

  7. Hater Says:

    I hate most modern porn. I hate the slapping, spitting, gagging and choking. I hate the facials, especially the ones that aim for the eyes. I really hate all the asshole fixation stuff like ass fucking, gaping, etc. I hate the bored or degraded actresses with ridiculous implants and tatoos. I hate the actors who fuck with anger then have to jerk themselves off to come.

    A hot scene has a natural adult woman who seems to enjoy sex, where there is a mutual respect between the people having sex. Where the man comes inside the woman. I guess this makes me a heritic these days.

  8. carsenome2 Says:

    I agree with others that the most important thing is whether the women enjoy it or not – clearly there are plenty who do like ‘extreme’ acts, and they’re always good to watch because you can see it turns them on. My problem is when these kinds of things are mechanically inserted into a scene as part of a formula, just because it’s the done thing nowadays, rather than arising naturally from the sex itself. A spontaneously rough moment can be exciting, but when you can see both male and female performers routinely doing something to live up to the title or theme of a movie, it’s simply tedious.

    Personally, I cannot understand why this spitting lark has taken off in the way that it has over the last few years. I don’t find someone gobbing on the pavement to be particularly erotic in real life, there’s no reason why doing the same thing into someone’s orifice will be any more enticing. Oh, and the genius who decided that spitting over the camera lens was not only hot, but was an act so worthy of recognition that the picture should be slowed down to allow us to appreciate the sheer majesty of it, should be executed.

  9. carsenome2 Says:

    Another thing that I dislike purely because it’s become standard – the gagging blowjob. Now once in a while, fine, but it’s become the default mode for every scene and to me that’s just not as sexy as seeing the woman do the work herself, so that you know she wants it in her mouth. A good blowjob is a skill, not a throat-stretching exercise.

  10. eric Says:

    I think it’s easy to have a bit of ‘good ole day’ syndrome about old (80’s/90’s porn.) While I agree there is too much reliance on DP, slapping (and other abusive behavior) and other acts I don’t like), there are some good points as well.

    1. There are a variety of decent looking actors and actresses. On the guy side we aren’t beaten down by Ron Jeremy, Tom Byron, Joey Silvera and that fat hispanic dude with the bad moustache in 80% of the scenes. There are FAR more women in today’s porn and the variety and depth of the field is much better than the old days.

    2. There are no more bullshit parodies, horrible scripts or stupid plot lines clogging up the action. I remember the video where the black guy was dressed in a Cream of Wheat box. Seriously. What kind of twisted shit was that supposed to be to get anyone excited.

    3. No more porn music. Until Stagliano introduced Gonzo, any halfway decent scene was ruined by a horrible music track.

    Gonzo by nature is going to be a little harder because their is no premise of love or seduction. But I think 90% of today’s content is really good, with just a fringe of the mainstream stuff being too hard.

  11. fourstar99 Says:

    This is a major issue of mine. For me there is a difference between “porn” and “watching some people fucking on film”.

    For me, there has to be a /reason/ that those 2/3/17 people are in that room doing that thing at that time. Now that can be a full-on Private style multi-million Euro production with period costume and some kind of plot continuity. Or it can be a low budget ’slutty soccer mom’ walking in on the star player knocking one out in the bathroom and pouncing on her first chance of a hard cock for months. It doesn’t particularly matter, although some are clearly better than others (and that is not necessarily related to budget and/or era).

    Even gonzo has a place in this – the setup usually seems to be that the girl is trying out on film for the first time and has to be led along into each subsequent act (again, clearly a fallacy in most cases but it is the suspension of disbelief that counts).

    The ones that don’t work (for me) are “Hi, I’m Brandy, I’m 19 years old and I love sex” and then some guy appears and starts banging the shit out of her. It’s too false. Even the most convoluted costume drama with ridiculous plot leaps and an utterly caricatured cast have at least made the effort to make you think that these people were going about their daily live when, suddenly, they couldn’t resist the urge and had to get it on, right there and then.

    Within all that, there is obviously room for harder and softer variations. Some of the cheesiest 80s porn suddenly had scenes with fully penetrative fisting (often then censored!). Submission fantasies (both sexes) are as old as the hills. But to get that balance of the truly erotic, whilst maintaining the interest of the viewer and leading the scene to the inevitable climax does actually take more than a battered sofa in the Valley, two Handicams and a girl who may not remember to take her gum out beforehand…

    This all leads nicely on to the ropeadope post regarding favourite scenes. As you might imagine, I’m finding that rather difficult to decide. More research necessary…

  12. Damon Says:

    I really cannot argue with Fedor’s list of problems with modern porn especially making girls drink cum out of a cup with a straw. It been so done! It is not erotic when every girl finishes her scene by drinking cum out of a straw. Where did they learn this, making porn for dummies?

    I am with Fedor as far as the sexiness of a trimmed bush. I know that the main reason is for cleanliness but it take an element of sexiness away. It is not good when I have to stare at a woman’s cuts and razor bumps down there. It is so traditionally woman and now it is gone.

    As for the slapping of the face personally it does not turn me on to see a guy slapping a girl’s face. It might turn on some girls who are having it done to them but for me I am uncomfortable with it.

    I guess there is a market for extreme penetrations fortunately there is not too much of this stuff on this site in my opinion. Extreme penetrations is like a contest in stupidity or like a circus. Oh look what the freak can do says Otto. Fuck the girl already! Stop using all these huge novelty toys and other items. And then there is the sure to follow close up look at the girl’s gaping asshole. It is a well fucked ass I get it! 1 or 2 toys maximum and then get in there. That is how come I cannot stomach that Mach2 porn. You cannot show someone penetrating with their whole hand but you can use a baseball bat though. Idiotic!

  13. jfro Says:

    I agree with many of the commenters here. I think the way the poll question was phrased creates a false choice between “explicit” and “sensual”. I think the problem with most porn both Euro and American is that sensuality is left out of it. But by sensuality I don’t mean “softcore” or “not violent”. I think a number of the commenters above put their finger on it, a little when they talk about the woman’s pleasure. The woman’s pleasure is key but is only one component that is missing from much porn (now and in the past).

    The “give and take” of the interaction between the performers/participants is the most sexy thing but too often porn directors or the actors themselves move themselves around like pieces of meat…I think that it is just as much about how they move with each other.

    For instance the comments above about blowjobs are a case in point. In my experience, blowjobs feel the best when the woman sensually plays with her lips and tongue around my cock. Now though, there appears to be a “checklist” which performers are using to create “hardcore” ness in the video by gagging or the woman is just mechanically sucking hard on the dick…maybe I have a different experience of blowjobs than these male porn actors…maybe they need all the stimulation to get anything out of it.

    Another area that bugs me is the beginning of porn scenes…there is no seduction of any kind…they just flop on top of each other and flop out of their clothes. And a striptease then becomes an event!! Ooo, she’s taking her time…wow big deal!! Every porn scene should start with the actors undressing each other in a way that shows each other off…or get fucking with their clothes on…also super hot if it shows how urgently they want each other.

    Another area that bugs me is how women tend to be shot from below or low down… I don’t know of a guy who is that short…I like to look at women from my eye level or maybe a little lower but not from below.

    To sum up, I don’t think it’s a problem with any one of the genres, its more of a problem of the technique and the abilities of the porn director to bring out the sensuality and best visual angles from their performers. “Sensuality” doesn’t mean soft focus or even gentleness but just a way to show whatever the pleasure is that the performers are bringing out in each other.

  14. papayaman Says:

    So many good points by so many people. I find myself in agreement with Carsenome about the spitting – just not sexy when a guy spits in a girl’s mouth! Fedor and jfro also make good points about some of the more outre fashions in porn and the formulaic nature of much porn. I could never see anything that sexy about making a girl drink sperm out of a dog bowl, cup, off the floor, or indeed seeing a girl buttfuck a guy using a strap-on. I think jfro refines and brings out what I was trying to get at when he argues that in much porn the sensuality is lost.

    I suspect that what is happening is that porn directors are continually looking for new things, ways to make the scene different. In itself this is not a bad thing, but the way they are setting about it is continually trying to think up the next extreme thing. And the next extreme thing is not necessarily going to be sensual. It may well be something like that silly video about coming in girl’s ears.

    I think the thing about one of my favourites whom I mentioned earlier, Luci Thai, is that whatever the nature of the scene (and she has done some quite hardcore scenes as well as vanilla) is that she is a very sensual and sexy woman. And a decent director can help bring that out so that the scene is sensual irrespective of whether or not it is vanilla or hardcore. But hardcore material in itself is not going to make something sensual if it just seems to be done by rote by disinterested performers for the sake of following some new trend (whether it be face fucking, double anal, or whatever). You have to add in the right performers and chemistry to achieve that magic ingredient of sensuality. And that I guess is easier said than done.

  15. fourstar99 Says:

    @papayaman: You said the magic word – “chemistry”…

  16. xtcbyme Says:

    The bottom-line is we make choices. We buy, rent, download, what is produced. The slapping, choking, brown cum oozing out of asses, sells, or it would not be made. Don’t like it – stay away. You vote loudest with your wallet, and don’t let anybody say it ain’t so. When you think something is crap at Wal-Mart do you buy it and take it home? Same thing here. If we loved Tranny porn I promise you it would posted every day, but it is still a niche, so it is not.

    And one last thing. Porn is not about reality. It is purely the fantastical in the best sense of the word. So if you think the boundaries are pushed it is because what was not common 20 years ago, Blow-Jobs on coffee dates for example, it is expected now, kids pop the cherry unbelievably young now and by the time they are old enough to watch porn they need more than what their g/f is giving them.

    The cycle is what it is. The next time you see a girl being slapped, and spit on, remember you and I d/led the damn thing is the first place!

  17. dphunkt Says:

    reads like a review i wrote … im somewhere between somewhat and not really..but i care, so somewhat got the vote. porn shouldnt be strictly anything, but if your going to be hardcore (or fap to it)..porns the perfect place. its either become better or worse lately, depending who youre asking. my complaint is theres alot of it and its mostly the same. besides feeling phased out by it, its probably professionally exhausting or easy to pitch/rushed into production. i cant confirm anything from production standpoint though. other concerns : the relationship of gonzo and hardcore, and the comparison of porn and rock stardom.

  18. gurney Says:

    I voted it’s not hard enough but after a bit of thought I kind of want to take it back a step.

    I dont mind hardcore, softcore does nothing and to me comes across as overtly fake.

    I dont enjoy the girls being humiliated, slapped, spat on/in, the dumb guy always asking “now tell me where you want it”, “tell me your a slut” like it’s in the script- stop that ‘*ish’. None of that snowballin’ to excess, there is not one thing sexy or appealing about that, when that happens I just twitch and end the vid. No parade made of swallowing, “Now say ahh and let me see if you swallowed it”! how stupid. For gods sake someone stop these guys from ‘finishing’ themselves off…I’m utterly confounded by this, it seems I will watch a scene now in anticipation for the quality of the ending and if this dumb guy jacks himself I feel like I’ve totally wasted my time…I dont wanna see that! There is a totally good working girl right there, have her do it!!
    American girls dont play with the balls enough, that needs to improve. Bring back saladtossin’, that’s hella sexy when done by a skilfull and enthusiastic chick. Keep the hardcore hardcore, keep it creative, keep it sexy but loose the verbal and physical (slapping, spitting) abuse on the chicks.

  19. Si Says:

    Everything I think has been said already by previous posters; there isn’t anything remotely arousing about much of the porn that seems to get put out today (scenes with the guy jacking himself off at the end is a real let-down), and much that is frankly off-putting or downright unpleasent, eg excessive anal, dp, abuse, frantic fucking, etc. Whilst I wouldn’t deny that some may enjoy it, there seems to be no balance now; I’d love to see some quality modern porn that has the sensual and sexual overload of (say) any scene with Annette Haven in it – good porn like that makes you feel like you are really there, and is so much more than the one-dimensional offensive crap that gets pushed out now. I guess I’ll just have to hope that Content Dude gets a good stash of classic films in at some point and I can get a fix of lingerie, slow sensuous blow-jobs, and men being brought off by women (hey, theres a thought!)

  20. pgwodehouse Says:

    Reading the other posts has only confirmed what I already knew: There is an infinite variety of tastes and preferences when it comes to porn. Porn directors and producers are simply catering to that, and I have no problem with it. Porn is exploitative to women, always has been, but who cares? It’s not as bad as having to fight in a war. It’s probably not even as bad as having to clean up shit, or wait tables. (I’ve done both.)

    What kills me about porn is that it’s creators take the time to understand WHAT we want to see, but they haven’t the slightest clue as to WHY we want to see the things we want to see. This results in a frustratingly misexecuted product that often fails to satisfy even it’s narrow intended audience.

    Minor Example: I was watching some scene, forget which one, where a girl was explaining that she had a fiance who had no idea she was about to get fucked, and that she had never done anything like this before. She was probably lying, but who cares. That’s still hot to me. So she starts doing this guy, and it’s going fine, and then a second guy comes in.

    Suddenly, they’re doing her double vag. That’s hot, especially given this set up. Here’s the problem: We don’t see the second penetration, and WE NEVER SEE THE GIRL’S FACE the entire time. We get a five minute shot that’s mostly hairy dude butthole and balls, then suddenly it’s over. So THEY ONLY PUT THE LEAST INTERESTING THING ON THE SCREEN. I (and anyone who thinks like me) know that what’s going on on the girl’s face is what’s hot about the entire situation. This isn’t a court of law where you have to prove to me that she had two dicks in her. Give us one shot of that, then pan up and ask the girl how she feels about it. Get her to say she loves her fiance, but she loves being filled with cock more. Whatever, but at least try to understand why your audience thinks certain things are hot, and then give them more of that.

    By the way, this is the EXACT same principle that applies to real film-making. Figure out the emotional/psychological reaction you’re trying to evoke, and get inside the audience’s head to achieve that.

  21. Nate Says:

    I love it that the discussions in here are more intelligent than in most other places on the Internet…or anywhere else for that matter.
    ———————-
    I’m with the 40% that said “Somewhat…”. The key thing I think is missing is the woman enjoying herself. How freakin’ rare is that!? So when I finally catch a scene where she is (or is at least doing as passable job of faking it), the scene just becomes totally epic. And then I sleep through twenty scenes with chicks who might as well be inflatable for all the passion they put into their work.

  22. halin Says:

    Not sure what to vote for.
    I do like the anal, squirting, gang bangs and the DP’s, but I don’t like the slapping, choking, spitting or guys just being pricks.
    More filth but be nicer :)

  23. Derek Says:

    Some things are instant turn-offs. I like deep throats, but not gagging. Slapping (her face, of course), spitting, choking, foot on her head (especially foot on the head), all that stuff doesn’t do it for me.

    Also, one thing I really hate is when the eye makeup runs. For some reason, I just don’t like it.

  24. galactosidase Says:

    I love DP and anal, and hardly ever download scenes without it, but I definitely don’t like scenes with choking.

  25. cancelHoo Says:

    Personally, its not the anal or dp, its the gonzo attitude that i find disturbing. Look at the way anal sex is portrayed in films by Private. Anal sex, i’ve found in my personal life, is often more intimate, maybe because of the care needed to avoid injury, but most american anal feels misogynistic (or cocaine fueled). Aggressive sex is fun, but not all porn should be about this. Obviously certain stars excel in it, Sasha Gray for example is sexy when choked/slapped etc. Generally, if the girls look uncomfortable, frightened or high, i’m not interested.

    Off topic, but is there any way we could get “european” as a category? We have “peeing” as a catagory for christs sake.

  26. kmfcm Says:

    porn is better now

    I watching this stuff in the 90s
    you know what I remember?

    they were HEAVILY edited
    half of them had the sound dubbed in
    and a scene might be 70% genital close-up if it wasn’t made for cable

    now, if we could just get over this “too many blondes” problem.