Musings on Double Penetration

Double Penetration
There are a lot of acronyms in porn: ATM, BDSM, GS, ED, etc, etc, but the most common is the DP. These days, at least half of movies being made have one DP or more. Given that it’s so common, it surprises me that some people seem to dislike it with such a passion. I’ve long wondered what the big fuss is.

The most interesting claim that consistently gets made is that DP is gay, but it doesn’t seem to me like double penetration has much to do with the men at all. I mean, it’s porn. It seems to me that DP is more about the fantasy of being with a girl so slutty that she’d not only have sex with two guys, she’d let them fuck her in both holes. Perhaps it’s more about aesthetics, who knows?

So, blog readers, I’m interested. What’s your take on DPs? Love em, hate em or somewhere in between?

How do you feel about double penetration?

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35 Responses to “Musings on Double Penetration”

  1. bahdra108 Says:

    As I posted recently: a poll on 2-cocks/1-hole. Oh, happy day, your favorite pornstar picks you when her boyfriend sends her to bring a guy home. A whole weekend of 1 on 1 with her, anything you want. The catch, each night the boyfriend joins in for a session of 2 cocks in her mouth and all varieties of DP; no other contact with him required. So fess up, would you do it? I skeeve rubbing against another guy too, but for a weekend with Roxy Jezel, I wouldnt hesitate.

  2. zarafan Says:

    I have the feeling that DP is one of many categories in porn that is more fun to watch than to participate in; I think that you get it right, Alison, that the allure is the image of a woman so turned-on and sexually free that she would take it from two guys at the same time. I’m willing to venture that most of us have never participated in a DP and wouldn’t really want to be involved with a woman who regularly sought it out. There is an additional, related appeal to the position that has to do with the “symmetry” of a woman using all available orifices (the so-called air-tight position of three guys on one woman) as a means of maximizing her sexual utility. In that sense, therefore, I think that DP serves to diminish the importance of the guys by doubling them–meaning that DP is really the opposite of gay since it underscores the centrality of the woman and the superfluity of the guys. I like the “aesthetics” of the DP, but as in so much of porn, this is another instance where I for one would prefer that life not try to imitate art.

  3. ropeadope2 Says:

    Wow, a new poll and it’s not even Friday! I think Alison hit the nail on the head with her remark that the fascination surrounding a 2 guy – 1 girl threesome including DP is all about the sluttiness of the girl. This confirms my long held belief that Alison is a girl with the brain of a guy. In my lifetime, I partook in one DP (25 years ago) and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Fortunately, the episode was not captured on film – I’m sure we looked totally ridiculous. But it felt good. I believe I’m up for a sequel.

  4. fourstar99 Says:

    It’s an interesting one; for me there is something about a girl trying a DP for the first time (or pretending to) but when it’s like chucking a couple of chipolatas down the Blackwall Tunnel, where’s the fun? Audrey, looking at you…

    There are, however, some great DP moments in 70s/80s orgy scenes where there is almost a look of surprise on the face of the actress – you want to do what? But she ‘goes along with it’ and generally it is one of the best parts of the movie.

    That said, I’m with bahdra108 re: Roxy :)

  5. Grendel Says:

    i think alison is right about the porn aspect of the DP – that a lot of guys who want to see them are interested in using the DP as a metric of how big a slut a girl is, but that’s true of a lot of porn activities – ass-to-mouth, anal, facials, swallowing, interracial, come-swapping…the list goes on. but think about it for a minute – you probably have a star in your head that you think is relatively pure or classy because she limits herself onscreen – justine joli, maybe, or tera patrick – but she still has sex in movies for money. where’s your baseline? i think the question of how you feel about the DP has to be divided into two distinctly different questions – “do you like watching them?”, and “do you want to perform them?”

    first off, the experiences of watching a DP and performing one are two entirely different things, and can’t really be compared. obviously, even aside from anything else, one is entirely visual, and the other is overwhelmingly tactile (unless you do film it, the view is less than stellar). i’m not a porn star, but i’ve been part of a few different DP situations, and i can tell you that, like anything else, it all depends on the people you do it with. i won’t get into any discussion of what kind of relationship you have to have for it, except to say that in real life, it will never work out unless you have a pretty strong bond of trust with at the very least one of the other people and preferably both, especially if you’re a little worried about your sexuality to start with.

    there is also nothing gay about liking to watch DPs – at least nothing any more gay than liking to watch anal or handjobs, nor is there anything gay about being a man in a DP situation; contact is minimal if you want it to be. give it a try with your girlfriend and a vibrator. any contact you have with the other participant is going to be the tactile equivalent of hearing loud music from outside a club – you can feel it, but it wont be loud enough to dance to (unless, to torture the metaphor, somebody opens up the door and you decide to go in). you get more contact with a dick when you’re masturbating, and you do that all the time. are you gay because you don’t mind having your own dick in your hand? nope. are you gay if you like anal? nope. if you’re really really worried about that face of the matter, you have some issues that go a little deeper than what kind of porn you like to watch.

    me, i like to see it, if the performers are into it. otherwise, couldn’t care less. like anything else in porn, it’s boring if you have boring performers. i’m not into it for its own sake, and – like anal and creampies and facials and so many other things – it gets tired if you have companies pumping out movies that make the act so common that it’s just not even a little bit dirty any more.

  6. HotScooter2 Says:

    So who is this Alison chic everybody keep talkin to lol.rumor has it she is kind of cute,but Rope i gotta disagree with you she seems to be all woman to me,and the female mind is full of subtleties and complexities. ever notice that woman is almost spelled wowman.
    To me is no big deal anymore than scratching your ass. if you wanna do it you do it and if you don’t you don’t. me i don’t. i don’t care if it is in a DVd or not cause i got the power to erase it or not watch it. i think there are too many Videobox members just like to bitch to hear themselves bitch. alison in the previous blog i mentioned your possibly doing a blog on the late George Carlin. He and Lenny Bruce were both great comics that fought censorship throughout their careers.
    IMHO Carlin was one of the alltime great comics.
    One argument i am so fucking sick of hearing is how DP is gay. gaydom is an individualized concept. what is gay to one is not gay to another/ I am hetero but am not threatened by gays,unless they try to inflict their lifestyle on me. but when people show human respect that is not a problem. because i have no right to impose my lifestyle on them either.
    But rope i double the ante and call your bluff and say Alison is all female including her mind.
    Alison you know the best thing about the blogs on this site is we can pretty much say what we want,and that is very cool

  7. HotScooter2 Says:

    in the second paragraph above i was saying DP is no big deal

  8. G man Says:

    I find DP scenes hot and hotter still when the girl has a third cock in her mouth. If the guys are hung even better – if the girl has big tits even better yet. Sometimes I just need my porn to be vulgar and over the top. Sometimes…

    Under normal circumstances DP would just be one of the many (many, many, many) types of porn i enjoy – but it has come to mean something special. It so happens that DP scenes are my wife’s favourite. I love finding new scenes that I think she will enjoy, I love watching them with her, and the stuff that tends to follow is rather agreable as well.

    Could someone please explain how watching a DP scene with your sexy wife before engaging in … ahem … a meaningful exchange of views (and a few bodily fluids) constitutes “gay”?

  9. papayaman Says:

    I agree with a lot of what has been written, particularly concerning the ridiculous contention that DP is in some way gay. But all the relevant things have been convincingly said about that By Zarafan, Grendel and G man.

    The main point I would like to make concerns our viewing pleasure (or lack of it) of DP scenes. It seems to me that the thing that makes or breaks a DP scene is how it is filmed. All too often a DP scene focuses in on the penetrations to the exclusion of anything else. The overall effect is that long sequences show us little other than a pair of bobbing male arses and just a sliver of the woman’s genital area. I have been put off a number of scenes featuring girls I like because of this phenomenon. It seems to me that a good DP scene must be filmed from an angle where we can see the penetrations, but also see the rest of the girl’s body and her face. I think a good example of a well shot DP is the Tiffany Hopkins scene in Dual Invasions 3. It helps that Tiffany is a high energy and attractive girl of course,but our enjoyment of the scene is enhanced by the fact that not only can we see the penetrations- we can also see her facial reactions and her decidedly perky body is kept in view. I think much the same factors apply to Sasha Grey’s scene in The Girl Next Door 2. And what a shame it would be if we could not see her sublimely sexy face and body as she takes a pair of cocks! I suppose it is too much to expect porn directors to take note, but I suppose we can thank our lucky stars for the occasional well shot scene.

  10. ropeadope2 Says:

    HotScooter2 – I will have to yield to your expertise on this issue. I believe you’ve stated that you’re a married man of many years. As such, you have far more experience with the female brain than myself. Don’t get me wrong, I know that Alison is all woman. I just love the way she cuts right to the chase in her analysis. No mincing words, no hemming or hawing. Probably shortsighted on my part to associate this attribute with the male, rather than the female brain.

  11. zarafan Says:

    As usual, I agree completely with what Papayaman has to say; on the subject of well shot DPs, once movie that hasn’t made it to Videobox YET (but I have high hopes!!) is the Private film “DNA,” starring the magnificent Michelle Wild. The last scene features a terrifically well-shot DP sequence, the best I can think of off the top of my head. There’s also a good “Behind the Scenes” segment filmed during this scene that shows her talking through the male performers and the camera about how to make DP work–surprisingly sweet, convincing, and hot in its own right! I don’t need this film since I already happen to own it on DVD, but I’m sure other members of our site would enjoy seeing it!!

  12. HotScooter2 Says:

    Rope:
    indeed Alison does cut right to the chase,but i have known a lot of women that are the same in that regard. but i was not offended by anything you said i was more like just messing with you. that is a popular expression down here in the south.southerners just like to tease folks as a general rule

  13. Miths Says:

    I agree with the opinions Zarafan put forth in his first post.
    I usually love DP scenes, including DAP and DPP (any chance of getting seperate categories for those at some point? Unless the DVD title is “Two Cocks in the Booty” :) , those scenes can actually be a bit difficult to find – at least without the help of other sites, like IAFD), but like with a number of other porn niches I like, I really don’t fantasize about taking part in any kind of group sex that isn’t strictly limited to myself and x number of women.

    With the occasional exception of solo masturbation and lesbian porn (two niches that seem to be scorned by members here at VideoBox, if the almost always thoroughly negative member comments are anything to go by – but fortunately I can also get my much needed fix of, usually more entertaining, lesbian and solo porn from other sources), I don’t actually use porn to fuel fantasies. It’s strictly visual stimulation, and I often enjoy watching a girl getting fucked in all holes by anywhere from two to 10+ men.
    Well, at least as long as they can mostly keep their mouths shut. Male performers who moan and talk excessively (did anyone say Shorty Mac? :) ) is usually a huge turn off for me, as that changes the scene from a girl being fucked by a bunch of cocks attached to nameless and faceless bodies, to a scene with a girl being fucked by a bunch of men making their annoying presence all too obvious.

  14. xposh Says:

    Usually there’s too much man ass in DP scenes. Like you’ll see a lot of shots where it’s just 2 guys asses. I hate that shit. Best shots are where you can see the whole girl, don’t really like closeups at all unless it’s maybe a face zoom. Also hate guys who talk like Miths was saying, this is true for DP’s as well where you’ll get two guys yapping to each other about how they’re fucking her.. just STFU! Nothing’s worse than hearing a dude’s voice when watching porn, nothing.

  15. s'ploder Says:

    here’s where i display my lack of pr0n knowledge. who’s the brunette actress in the upper middle right photo?

  16. All41 Says:

    Alison- i think you should make a top 10 list of dp scenes to maybe sway the opinions of the dp haters out there. also, if you can do me the favor of putting on “not just another 8 teen movie #2″ i would be in debt to you forever. the one scene with shayna knight and mark woods is crazy good!

  17. walken Says:

    I loved the way you worded your comments too Alison! I like DP’s, it is just another piece of the puzzle we call porn. I don’t get the whole ‘gay’ thing, as HotSooter2 said “i think there are too many Videobox members just like to bitch to hear themselves bitch.” RIP George Carlin.

  18. firesnype Says:

    There are waaay too many catagories in porn for people to complain. Here’s and Idea if you don’t like DP scenes don’t watch them. I will say this however, my experiences with participating in dp were a little awkward. You can’t ignore the other guy being there now matter if he’s a friend or not and the girl was experiencing more pain than pleasure. Better to experience it on the screen I’d say.

  19. DP Says:

    I like DPs (go figure), but I don’t care for how most of them are shot. Generally, the angles are so off that all you end up seeing is a tiny 6-inch sliver of both cocks going inside the porn starlet, and the rest of the shot is overwhelmed by the 2 guys, to the point where it is difficult to see the girl getting plugged.

  20. Badabing Says:

    Not a fan of the DPs, for a combination of reasons. I don’t like that the camera, almost by necessity, is largely focused on a straining taint, and I can hardly see any part of the woman I’m there to see. But also, I have never, ever heard a woman say that a DP was a sexual fantasy of hers. Blowing a guy while getting fucked? Sure. Anal? Sure. Having a group of men jerk off on her? Sure. But never once have I heard a woman say, “yeah, absolutely. Anal isn’t intense enough; I need me another giant cock jammed in my pussy at the same time.” So, to me, it just kind of fits in that category of “Things 16 year old boys like to see” … like women fucking baseball bats and making women puke by shoving your cock down their throat while you hold their nose and smack them.

    Call me crazy, but I kind of like my porn to include things that the women plausibly enjoy.

  21. stoked01 Says:

    Hey Alison! Great post, as per usual! I have seen a lot of DPs but only on the site. I think it’s hot. For me, at least, I try to imagine what the girl is feeling rather than what the guys are feeling, which makes viewing a DP significantly different than viewing the majority of the actions in porn. DP can bring a lot of excitement to a scene. I think DP is to porn what unisex pants are to a department store. It’s like, “What section should they go in – the Men’s section or the Women’s?” There isn’t an easy answer. However, to call DP gay seems a bit short-sighted. Again, great post!

  22. alison Says:

    bahdra108 – Haha, you propose a situation no man could refuse ;)

    zarafan – I think we’re on exactly the same page. I’ll put a bug in the Content Dude’s ear about that title. There’s rumors that we’ll be doing another Private buy soon and I’d love to get some stuff that people really want.

    ropeadope2 – I learn new things about you with every post! :) I have been called a “boy with girl parts” in the past…

    fourstar99 – It seems like a lot of what went on in 70’s/80’s porn was more free-form. I think that’s why a lot of people like it so much.

    Grendel – A *couple* of DP situations? Wow!

    HotScooter2 – Glad we agree :) And to your comment about George Carlin in the last post (I do read them even when I can’t respond), I would’ve loved to do a post about him, but I don’t feel completely qualified. He really broke down boundaries for first amendment freedom and on top of that was a hell of a comic. He’s missed.

    G man – Man, you’ve got the life. Do you ever notice that when the third cock is introduced, the girl has problems paying attention to the blowjob? I can see why, obviously…

    papayaman – I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there. Good scenes are ones that are filmed well and have good chemistry, hot sex, etc, regardless of what the sex act is. I’d take 1000 hot, well-shot straight sex scenes over one crappily filmed DP any day.

    Miths – The good news is that we will be categorizing those scenes (at least the double anals) separately. The bad news is that I have no clue when those will finally hit the site. Fingers crossed that it’s soon!

    xposh – I agree about man ass. I’m a straight girl, but even I don’t like seeing a bunch of taint! Full-body shots are definitely preferable.

    s’ploder – That is the lovely Ms. Dillan Lauren.

    All41 – That’s a good idea. And I’ll definitely keep that scene in mind when I’m making the list!

    walken – Thanks :)

    firesnype – I had no idea so many people have had real-life DP experiences. That’s pretty awesome.

    DP – Amen. A good director makes all the difference in these scenes.

    Badabing – I think it’s plausible that a woman could enjoy a DP. Hell, there are women who get into being whipped or choked…why not double penetrated? Seems more pleasurable in comparison.

    stoked01 – Thanks! And that’s an interesting point to ponder ;)

  23. dplover Says:

    I love DP, it’s all I watch. For me it is totally about the girl loving cock, or being wanted, so much that she can not get enough. Perhaps some day I will be lucky enough to be involved in one.

  24. Datejust Says:

    DP is okay, as long as it’s not audrey who’s D(a)Ped

  25. zarafan Says:

    Dear Alison:

    As always it’s great to receive your response to our postings! As long as you’re putting a bug in Content Dude’s ear, please tell him (1) yes to more Private purchases, they’re terrific and always appreciated!!! (2) Please give a thought to approaching Marc Dorcel–I can even give him a little advice about fun things to do while he’s in Paris…! (Like he would really need my suggestions, LOL!) Thanks for carrying the coals to Newcastle for me!!

    Zarafan

  26. Soupy Says:

    I like the fantasy of DP, it can be really hot. But it heavily depends on the camera work. I hat a DP where I think the woman is really hot, but then for half the scene I can’t see her as she is sandwhiched between two guys. If can still see more of the womans tits and less of the guys’ asses, I like it. Otherwise, hate it.

    Still there are too many DP scenes proportionately, should be the exception, and not the rule.

  27. PeterMc Says:

    Not really into DP, much rather see a one on one anal scene. It’s not like it disgusts me or anything it’s just that I find the more men that are in a scene the more the woman gets covered up. It’s also not a fantasy of mine, I have no desire for another man to be present (Particulalrly a naked one!) when I’m having sex, another mans cock would put me right off. Don’t mind DP in a scene though as long as there’s lots of straight anal as well.

  28. gayJ Says:

    Well, I guess the gay guy will weigh in again to explain what’s gay. DP is not gay. There is straight porn that gay guys like – especially watching a “girlfriend” taking it like gays like it. But what she’s doing with those two guys is not something you’re ever gonna do or want. Very not gay. (Double anal, however, is kinda gay…!)

  29. Damon Says:

    I think that there is more chemistry between 2, which I find hot to see how one person arouses the other, than between 3. In most threesomes it is obvious to me that not everyone is receiving the pleasure they need in order to put on a peak fucking performance. It is usually one of the guys who has to wack off by himself in order to get his stiffy back. It is not the girl’s fault as she only has one mouth, depending who you ask, and two hands. Often times the guys get off in different ways so she has to accomendate their unique needs. Simultaneous pleasure is almost impossible… Sometimes the girl is pounded raw by two guys and I do not get the sense that she is enjoying it. It can be hot when a girl is clearly enjoying all the manly attention but I think it is more enjoyable for girls seeing a DP as it all about the fantasy of being serviced by two gourgeous guys.

  30. the dude Says:

    I think it’s alright to watch, not gay, but I don’t think I would do it unless she was Jessica Alba caliber. My question for Allison is, do you enjoy watching it, and would you ever consider trying it?

  31. The Hater Says:

    Nothing about DP turns me on. I don’t even like regular assfucking so DP is just ridiculous (in a bad way). I don’t want to do it in real life and I don’t have a fantasy of being with a woman who would like it. It also doesn’t look good to me. A big turnoff.

  32. jfro Says:

    For me, if the chick is particularly turned on by the DP then it’s hot…otherwise it’s kind of a distraction. In general I’m more turned on my chemistry between two people than by scenes with more than two.

    In real life, I once fooled around with a woman in an open marriage who was way slutty and easily turned on. She talked about having a husband who was bi/gay and liking DP. I think she was looking for thirds. Knowing her husband was bi/gay made the DP thing seem not at all interesting!!

  33. glacier Says:

    i think the question is, who among us had actually participated in a DP?

  34. savage Says:

    i would probably agree that dp is more about watching then participating, its hot to see what a girl is willing to do. like seeing a girl eat a guy’s asshole, or getting gangbanged, its fun to watch. also, i have met girls who said dp was their fantasy, but while i don’t think its exactly gay, i have no desire to actually participate in one.

  35. Chris Says:

    Been in a few DP’s, even once a Double Vagina Penetration. Every one of them was totally hot. I really didn’t care that the other guy was there because the woman in each of these situations was so fucking turned on that it was amazing!

    Nothing turns me on more than a turned on woman. I’ll suffer through dealing with another guy in the situation if the lady we are with gets really turned on.