One Suggestion for Porn Directors

Porn Director
I think we can all agree that the vast majority of porn directors could use a little guidance from actual porn fans. When devoted blog reader and commenter Fedor emailed me with the idea to do a post on the subject, I thought it was a great idea.

His personal suggestion was “Let the girls finish the shot and not have the guy jerk off.” I suspect that’s an answer most of us can agree with. I thought about it for a while and mine is “Tell the guys to shut the hell up.” Now, I want to hear from you. If you could give a porn director one piece of advice, what would it be? Let’s hear it in the comments.

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91 Responses to “One Suggestion for Porn Directors”

  1. allcomers2 Says:

    Mine suggestions (including the two Alison mentioned):

    1. Girl Finishes off guy
    2. No audible noise by the guy
    3. No closeups of penetration lasting more than 2 seconds. It’s just plain boring to see the cock thrusting in and out of a pussy in closeup for 1.5 minutes straight.

    4. Always really good angles on the action (Sunny Lane, in doggy, in Whale Tail #1 Scene #3 comes to mind). Digital Playground is good at this.

  2. MFH0 Says:

    Allcomers2, one problem with #3 – what else are you going to show for 20 minutes?

    Mine?

    No dubbing over the audio with fake or added moans.

  3. tony Says:

    Girls finishing? What a concept!! If the directors only thought about real life , then we would see this all the time. I mean really ,how many of us pull out of a perfectly good pussy or mouth so we can rub one out on the girl , or on her face. Not!!! We let it go in her mouth, her pussy or pull out at the last second to let it go all over her tummy, but never pull out to jerk off on her!! The Jerk Off is strictly saved for VIDEOBOX viewing and our favorite stars. Now if we could view them as described above. I think we all would be VERY,VERY HAPPY!!!!!

  4. Ravo2006 Says:

    I absolutely agree with all of Allcomers ! in fact if the director’s all followed this game set and match. Anyway my suggestions Allison :

    Check the lighting!
    Don’t use the same stupid sofa in all of your films.
    Don’t appear in your movie.
    Don’t include creepy old guys in bermuda shorts…..hanging off the end of that stupid sofa!
    Engage Rope for technical advice and sanity checking of the product.

    Cheers

    Ravo

  5. cuddlemaster2k Says:

    Everything sounds good so far. Here’s the only other thing I can think of:

    No random shot of the guy’s face during the scene

  6. allcomers2 Says:

    MFH0-

    I’m talking a very closeup shot where all you see is cock and pussy, and nothing else because they take up the whole screen. Here is an example:

    Alternative A (closeup): Talent getting railed in doggy. All you see the cock moving in and out of her pussy for 1 minute. You can’t even see most or any of her glorious ass.

    Alternative B(over the shoulder to seem POV): Talent getting railed in doggy. You see her Sasha Grey-esque ass ever so slightly jiggle with each thrust. She is looking over her should at the camera. You see her facial expressions build to climax. You see every so often the flex in her back as she slightly grinds upwards with every 5 strokes.

    Alt B is a much hotter shot of the exact same action.

  7. junker Says:

    Mine is essentially the same as cuddlemaster2k’s, but I will be more specific and so no zooming in on the guy’s face right before the money shot. Completely ruins it.

  8. Fedor Says:

    Thanks for posting this Allison, I truly hope someone in the industry reads this. Like a lot of TV/movie network execs, I think many porn directors are out of touch with their consumers.

    My other major pet peeve besides a guy ruining something like BJ scene by the guy taking over right at the last moment and jerking himself off is….some idiot who keeps talking during the scene. I think most current porn fans agree that all we basically care about is the girl…the less we see/hear from the guy the better.

  9. Strangepork Says:

    If I had to pick one, it would be: stop encouraging the female talent to get breast implants. I love big boobs as much as the next guy, but if I’m watching them in motion they need to move naturally. When new talent comes along, if she doesn’t have big boobs, that’s okay. She should be comfortable with her natural body and not change because of any studio pressure.

    Bonus suggestions:
    - Bring cunnilingus back! Most ladies love it, and they’ll give you a much better scene if you get them turned on before shoving it in.

    - I don’t need an epic story, but vignettes are cool. Just a hint of a story gives context. Give your performers a reason to fuck, other than the facts that they are porn stars and there is a camera rolling.

    - No cumshots on inanimate objects. Really, who thought this was a good idea?

    - If you can figure out a way to green-screen out the guys except for the “important” bits, you’ll make a fucking fortune.

  10. shawnkemp Says:

    allow the girls to be a little candid once in awhile. i like when you see who she ‘really’ is and not just a typical porn star

  11. Garp123 Says:

    I am with Strangepork with a little story to set the scene. Not a lot, but a reason or plausible idea why a hot chick is fucking a jerk with erection problems. The baby sitter is done to death, but the cheerleader or dumb chick that is caught doing something bad and fucked by cops is an old favorite. Also, a good MILF taking advantage of a hard-up teen is good also.
    Also, if done right, the good ol’ missionary position can still be hot.

  12. zapdaranta Says:

    I agree with most of the above, and I would like to add…

    Why not let a girl give a guy a blowjob every now and then ?

    I mean actually let HER do something.

    As opposed to grabbing the talent’s head and thrusting into her willing mouth until she chokes. I’m all for depictions of rough sex if that is your thing, but I’m consistantly disspointed when I notice some gorgeous girl, with a great smile and a lovely face and then watch the clip and she doesn’t get to take control even for a moment. Is it too much to ask to see a hot girl actually give some eye-contact, show some of her skills (deepthroating or otherwise) and above all seem like she is enjoying sucking the guys cock and having some fun with it…

  13. zarafan Says:

    Beyond the technical, I would encourage porn directors to consider the intangibles of their product: the mood, the rhythm, the layout of the scene. I recall seeing a scene by one of my favorite performers, Jennifer Dark–the best “dirty talker” in the business–where at the beginning of the tease sequence she blows her line and starts laughing; she asks the director to start the scene over but he keeps the camera rolling. It was kind of a funny moment, but what would the harm have been if he let her do another take?

    I agree with the other comments that having less-creepy, better looking guys would improve the overall aesthetic experience of the porn, as would of course having better-looking women, but I also understand that porn is almost always a fly-by-night proposition and you’ve got to dance with the date you bring.

    I think what really distinguishes great porn from mediocre porn is the set-up: if all I’m looking for is a money shot I can download the last 30 seconds of a scene (thanks to VB!!) and save a lot of space on my hard drive. What makes me notice a scene from above the fray is the first minute or so: if the interview is interesting, or the striptease is enticing, or the female performer really knows how to act sexy, THAT’S going to be a good scene, even if she isn’t the best looking woman or what I’m looking for as the object for my fantasies. The best performers–we all have our short list–can capture our attention even with a bad director and a cheap budget, but really it’s the directors obligation and job to make his performers look as good as possible, and I think the mediocre, cynical, and exploitative directors miss precisely that point: the director needs to be there for the performer as much as the performer needs to be there for the director; this too is what I’m calling an “intangible.”

    Finally, although this seems like a very specific comment, I’m hoping it can be understood by extrapolation to be a global observation: if you’re filming an anal-themed movie, you can probably figure that your audience really LIKES watching a girl’s ass: you can and should spend A LOT of time filming it, in a lot of positions and from a lot of angles–and a facial might not be the only option for ending that kind of scene. That holds for every other predilection, as well; although porn demonstrates for us endlessly that no matter how obscure our desires are, they can be commodified and mass-produced, nonetheless, the best objective a porn director can have is to go beyond the visual clichés of the medium.

    On a related note: might we consider a blog on the few directors who REALLY CAN shoot porn?

    When I first started writing this post, all I could think of was the idea of offering more ass-shots in the anal films. But you got me thinking about this, Alison: a great idea for a blog entry!!

    Thanks,

    Zarafan

  14. dwayne Says:

    tell the male talent to shut the fuck up, unless: they are saying things that are NICE to the gals. Jesus, enough nasty,shit talking from douchenozzles like nick” I CAN RUIN ANY SCENE” Manning….show me more positions….HEY ASSHOLES:lghting helps me SEE things! Music+ Porn= waste of my time. How about NO music to distract or annoy me? Let the gals CONTROL the scenes- my fantasies dont involve guys always being the one to have control: who wouldnt want someone like Jenna Haze or Tory Lane say: get naked, get hard and get ready!? Also, Old,fat, hairy men please STAY THE FUCK OFF CAMERA. Friends of the dumbasses making porn:SHUT THE HELL UP- NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR your comments, either!

    How’s about letting the talent choose outfits that they like to wear to make themselves feel sexy?

    FOR THE LOVE OF GOD:DO NOT MAKE ME SEE ANOTHER DUDE ,AS HE IS ABOUT TO CUM :Look at me.Uh, hey- but GAY! I wanna see the GAL! AND SEE HER TAKE THAT SHOT!

    More cum swallowing- that s, he cums in her mouth. That’s a real turn on for me. Cumming on shoes? Uh-NO.

    Less treating these stunning, sexy, hot, horny goddesses like SHIT. There aint enough porn that is SEXY AND ROMANTIC. I’d like to see some porn that has foreplay:AND A DAMN LOT OF IT.

    assrape dp foot bongo party isn’t my cup of tea, for some it may be, but some hot romantic porn that has two or three peeps having FUN is!

    thanks for letting me provide input!

  15. Gary Says:

    Ok I didn’t really read all the comments, but I will, I dont want to be writing thinks that people said or too long that its hard to read. So I hope you read and get my answers, too general. Please comment or ask questions if you want or need to.

    My porn directing ideas:

    1. Better and Creative Angles e.g. girl POV, ceiling cam, matrix effect, underwater cam…
    2. No close-ups on guys face unless girl holding a cam while getting fucked no longer than 2 seconds
    3. Very quick close-ups of action not longer than 5 seconds
    4. Cool and better story-lines maybe things in real life like cops, parties, clubs, relationships, cheaters, drugs, mail order brides, … I don’t know but something more reality story-lines.
    5. A hint or very short story-line
    6. New girls
    7. Kissing and more foreplay or how real people might have sex
    8. Male stars should only something if it helps, no dumb acting or over acting
    9. Same as above with the girls, be or act real, don’t talk, moan, or yell things that are unreal

    and the final one I hope most might agree or said (didn’t really read all the posts)

    10. CUT DOWN ON ***** LEE STONE and any of the other overly buff guys, stupid, or annoying dudes and asian guys. Tyce Bune Is God and Cool.

    Thank Out

  16. Dingo Says:

    “allow the girls to be a little candid once in awhile. i like when you see who she ‘really’ is and not just a typical porn star”

    Exactly! I like behind the scenes for just this reason.

    I’d like my porn scenes to be 100% chode free. That’s not too much to ask.

    MORE KISSING! MORE “REALISTIC” FOREPLAY!

    I like a little bit of “realism” in my porn. For a great example, check out “Teen Fuck Holes #8, Scene 2” Kissing, foreplay, missionary, and the whole scene is HOT HOT HOT HOT.

    I think I agree with pretty much everyone here. Especially the two dudes who’s names start with Z.

  17. Bud Dickman Says:

    Whenever you finish a film, send a copy to me, free of charge.

  18. Herman Hesse Says:

    Please, for the love of something more authentic, go fucking easy on the bloody makeup. What’s the use of filming an 18 or 19 teen and then slapping tons of shitty paint on her face so she looks just like every other 25 year old used up born chick. Dirty porn? Yes please. Do the girls have to look like gutter trash as well? NO!

  19. oldvert Says:

    1. Women finish with in-the-mouth cum shot.
    2. Only hire mutes for male talent.
    3. No more cookie cutter scenes. Maybe some foreplay, or…. tennis, anything but that damned couch every time.
    4. Even bad music is better than fake moaning.
    5. Classy women, nicely clothed, begin a scene far more erotically than already naked skanks who get a dick shoved in their mouths in the first ten seconds.
    6. Appoint me ‘Commissioner of Breasts’. I promise to weed out the nastiest fakes from porn before it reaches VB. Really, I will.

  20. Drstrange Says:

    1. Let the woman have an orgasm THEN let the guy cum – A woman’s orgasm face (and sounds) really make it for me.

    2. If you have more than two girls in a scene with one guy, instead of having them sit to the side and watch… get them involved. Work the prostate.

    3. If there is going to be a cumshot let there be sauce. Weak cumshots are lame. Get Peter North to tutor the fellas or something.

    4. More dirty talk. FYI: “You like that?” is not dirty talk. “Your cock is so big” is not dirty talk. “Do you like my pussy?” is not dirty talk.

  21. Ditto Says:

    Considering the suggestions made, my best remaining is…

    Shorten your scenes a little bit. Long scenes mean one of two things:
    1) Too much time focused on one thing/position.
    2) A laundry list of positions to roll through.

    While I have my favorite positions I like to see, I don’t need to see them for an exorbitant length of time. At a certain point, you get the idea. And conversely, when the performers are changing positions like machines running through a cycle of functions, that kills it, too. In general, I don’t finish a scene without using the fast forward options available to me, but when I DO watch one end-to-end, it’s generally a vignette with several solid, high energy positions, and a finish without breaks in the action or shifting about into new contortions.

  22. DP Says:

    A) A common sense suggestion-ensure that the cameraman NEVER turns the camera sideways or upsidedown. My neck hurts like a motherfucker trying to follow that crap.

    B) Be prepared. If you are going to do an outside scene, make sure you have sprayed the area with pesticides and hang flypaper. The best thing to ruin an outdoor scene is seeing a fly land on your starlet’s pussy while she is getting fucked.

    C) Cramming your 120 minute release with a 30-minute behind-the-scenes is a fad that is not watched by the majority of porn viewers. The truth is, we’d prefer another real scene, because we know that behind-the-scenes is a scam that you use to fill time.

    D) Dictate nothing. Shut the fuck up. Stop talking to talent about people you know, people they know, and the business itself during a scene.

    E) Ensure consistency. We are watching your releases. Don’t put a girl in your “teen” feature and then the next month put her in a “mature/milf” feature.

    F) Forget looping the scene. Don’t do it. If you have to loop a scene, then you are no better than Leisure Time Entertainment (or whatever the hell they call themselves this month). And that’s a very bad thing. If you work for Leisure Time Entertainment, quit splicing your phone sex ads in the middle of your scenes, pull your bottom lip over your head, and swallow.

    G) Get that Johnny Rocket guy to stop saying, “Droppin’ fuckin loads” every time he cums. It was funny the first 87 times, but is getting really annoying.

    H) Hire some talent that has the ability to act a short intro to the scene. I like to see a bit of a set-up.

    I) Investigate new talent that can actually fuck. A great deal of the new talent you guys are getting look like they aren’t enjoying themselves. Guess what, we’re not enjoying the scene either.

    J) Jizz shots should never be faked. We’re not paying to see you blue-screen / green-screen a bottle of Lubriderm in place of a cock. If you have those kinds of technical capabilities to alter reality, get a part-time job at Fox News or the White House.

    K) Kissing is not a bad thing and you guys seem to have an aversion to spending 5-10 seconds on it.

    L) Lee Stone is no longer selling your releases, and needs to find a new occupation. His bent hook cock is painful to watch, his tattoos are distracting, and he has no redeeming qualities.

    M) Masochism/Bondage/Dominance releases that you make should include sex and a cumshot in every scene. You are making far too many lesbian-only BDSM films. As another caveat, putting a ball gag or a leash on a chick does not necessarily make the scene a true BDSM feature.

    N) NO CUM DODGING. Get it? Don’t hire the cum dodgers. It makes you look bad and makes us feel like we’ve been taken for a ride. I will not buy any of your releases if you employ a cum dodger.

    O) Occasionally shoot a scene that has a theme which is actually related to the title of the DVD. Titling your DVD “cum sucking freaks” when it contains all creampies is an abomination.

    P) Pissing fetish scenes should not be limited to a girl streaming it on the ground. Just look at a John Thompson feature and see how it should really be done.

    Q) Question: Is it possible for you to make a decent nurse fetish release without recycling old nurse scenes? This would include new nurse scenes with actual dialogue and a set– not just dressing the girl up in a nurse costume.

    R) Re-read N, above.

    S) Set lights. No really, set lights in every scene that you make. Your willingness to produce a scene that your viewers cannot SEE will lead to reduced profits. Go down to home depot and get some light bulbs.

    T) Transsexual releases should not be limited to hairy men wearing bras and taking it in the ass. Hire some extremely feminine looking escorts from the back of your city paper.

    U) Under no circumstances should you make a DVD full of girls masturbating with dildos, where they use the same exact dildo in every scene.

    V) Vaginas that squirt should be a legitimate phenomenon and not faked by having the girl squeeze out a quick pee. You thought we didn’t know about that, but we do.

    W) Why must you recycle old scenes from different videos and put them in a new DVD with a flashy cover and NOT advertise it as a compilation or ‘best of’ series?

    X) X-Rated movies, by definition, should include naked bodies and fucking. Following a girl around town and flashing her breasts and ass at different people, and then ending the scene, makes your video R-Rated.

    Y) Yelling and grunting, yes, allow your actors and actresses to occasionally be genuine and yell during scenes. You have the ability to make a scene appear real by instructing your talent to engage in dirty talk and other vocal acts of passion. Just make sure you run that yelling through an audio compressor so you don’t blow out our speakers.

    Z) Zero tolerance for poor breast jobs. If you can tell that an actress has defined sacs of silicone under her skin, take a pass and hire a natural girl instead. Yes, this means that we may get some smaller-breasted girls. But hey, you can at least use them for some real ‘teen’ releases. :)

  23. PeterMc Says:

    My no.1 beef with porn directors is how they shoot doggy style sex, particularly anal. Too many anal scenes are shot from below the girl with the guy crouched over the top of her. Now I guess most guys who watch anal scenes want to see the girls ass not just a view of the guys ass and balls going up and down. It should be shot over the shoulder looking down so we can all see what it looks like seeing the dick going in her ass, pretty much POV style. What’s even worse is when the pussy doggy is shot over the shoulder and you have an amazing view of her ass, she then says something like “I want it in my ass” and rather than keep that same shot the guy suddenly decides to climb all over her and the camera drops underneath. I’m like ‘Why not just leave the camera where it was?’ Rant over!

    Oh and yeah, girls finishing guys off is way better than them spending two minutes jerking off at the end of the scene.

  24. G man Says:

    A great topic – and a lot of very good comments so far. I particularly find zarafan’s post to be right on the money.

    There are a few key points that pop up in a lot of the comments that I really, really agree with:
    1) You cannot lavish enough attention on the cum shot.
    2) Lighting and camera angles actually make a difference in cinematography.
    3) Dirty talk is hot – but only when the actors have talent for it and are not just recycling the usual seven standard lines.
    4) We want variety: I love my porn raw, raunchy and filthy as hell … but I also adore romantic scenes with kissing, pussy-licking, gentle cock-stroking and tenderness.
    5) You cannot lavish enough attention on the cum shot.

    Allow me to add my own little fetish to the list: tittyfucking should sometimes last more than a few seconds – and sometimes the guy should be allowed to cum between a luscious pair.

    Oh … and what’s up with the clear heels?

  25. alison Says:

    You guys are all right on. I haven’t seen a single suggestion I disagree with. I’ve gotta give it up special for DP though…your list was epic! :)

  26. zarafan Says:

    Thanks for the shout-out, G man!

    I really agree with Alison about DP’s list: it should be required reading for all porn directors–any indication, Alison, as to whether any actual directors will in fact see this blog?

    I hope the discussion will continue; it’s a really great topic!

    Best wishes,

    Zarafan

  27. DP Says:

    Thank you, it’s amazing what 2 cups of coffee can do :)

  28. zarafan Says:

    Ah, coffee: the bloggers’ viagra!!
    Happy posting,
    Zarafan

  29. alison Says:

    Zarafan – To be honest, I’m not sure. I’ve met some nice/interesting porn directors in my day, but none of them seemed like the blog-reading types.

  30. shitface Says:

    Re: close ups of the guy’s face: the editor needs something to cut away to. Showing a close shot of the guy’s face as he’s ‘cumming’ means they can cut from him pulling out of the girl and jerking, straight to when he cums – which might be some time later. Without that close up, there’d be an obvious ‘ouch’ where the time cut is made.

    All the close ups of cocks and pussys I suspect help to cover for girls whose faces show too clearly that they are NOT enjoying it.

    Personally, I’d say – no cumshots, no throttling, no super fast fucking, and please please, shoot some master shots!!

  31. jcather Says:

    Yes, thanks Allison, I can only hope that you fine a way to communicate these with some of the various directors out there. I certainly agree with most of what’s been said here, especially the girl finishing part watching a guy jirk just dosen’t get it. Also, more of the girls body, full body, angles and such as opposed to close ups, its just cool sometimes to watch them walk around naked, i mean thats why we are all here, to see hot chicks.

  32. jaguar Says:

    No joke, DP’s list should be sent to all the major porn studios and their directors. Any way we could all get a list of their emails and do this? If enough people make a lot of noise, they just might hear it and actually create better porn.

    My biggest request personally is to have more porn stars smile throughout the scene. The hottest scenes are when there is genuine chemistry and it is clear the woman is really enjoying herself. Smiling and then having a real orgasm, with a focus on their face, would be tops.

  33. Dan Says:

    It’s not rocket science, it’s porn. Point your camera at the people fucking and don’t zoom in on the guy’s taint.

  34. Bill K Says:

    Never shoot DARK scenes. Use your lights.

  35. tj Says:

    can someone help me find my favorite seen. i found it by accident and fell in love with it but now cannot find her again. she is wearing a green mexico shirt. she is absolutely gorgeous. i believe she is in only two scenes. any help will be awesome. she has big lips.

  36. Fedor Says:

    I tried to post a link but it wouldn’t work, oh well.

    I believe this is what you’re looking for.

    Pink Treats, Scene 2. Very popular scene.

  37. Mulder007 Says:

    I’d take a natural tit over a mangled, discounted boob job (Yes, even if it means smaller tits) any day/time. Peirod!

  38. Desprical Says:

    Top 5:

    1) Hire camera people that aren’t at risk for fits of Parkinson’s disease during the shoot.
    2) Invest in light bulbs.
    3) Less Gloria Summer.
    4) Disregard #2 in the situation that your scene involves Gloria Summer.
    5) For each guy, there should be at least one girl. For each Gloria Summer, there should be zero cameras.

  39. xposh Says:

    I had to look up to see who Gloria Summer is.. You bastard!
    @ Mulder007, I read a comment the other day that said “if you can feel them then they’re real.” LOL

  40. Kooma Says:

    Some suggestions:
    1. Let the girls keep their clothes longer! Videos like Stocking Secrets show the whole art of eroticism. Let’s just take the time, waiting just makes it better. Just like Christmas!
    2. I agree with a lot of commenters: let’s have some short-story, some depth to the girl. Some of the most exciting scenes are not with the best looking girls but with girls who have been a little developed or who remind you of somebody (the good old neighbor fantasy, or prude librarian, etc…). The best is when you see a movie where one of the girls plays the hard to get and the guy does not get her until the very last scene. So let’s have more definition and a slight backstory.
    3. stop shooting with your home camera. it feels like it gives a “cheap” aspect to the video, like someone recording his vacations. That can have a nice effect sometimes, but some quality camera and lighting is very appreciated.
    4. some originality, dammit! 99% of the scenes follow the same ritualistic scheme. Stop that!

    I am no fan of gonzo for many of the reasons above. Oh gonzo can be nice. If porn movies were like restaurants, then gonzo would be McDonald’s. Not the best food but you know what you get, it’s quick and can be satisfying. But it’s also nice to go to other places to get a real meal else you’ll die of boredom.

  41. outeast Says:

    If you’ve got the girl in some hot outfit, keep it on for at least a reasonable proportion of the sex. And when catering to people who like, say, rubber or denim, then recognize that one skimpy item of clothing in said fabric is not going to satisfy. Especially if it’s taken off anyway one tenth of the wiy into the scene…

  42. davros Says:

    I agree with Herman Hesse and agree that there should be some more scenes with gals wearing less makeup. It’s getting to the point that if you want to see Sativa Rose without wearing enough makeup that she’d make C.C. DeVille jealous, you have to go to her much earlier scenes.

    And I agree with the posters who talked about more foreplay and less extreme close ups. Is this an episode of Wayne’s World or something? And I don’t care much for the rougher scenes, but I’m sure there’s a huge market for it, so it will continue.

  43. fibo7 Says:

    Zoom the hell out!

    I want to see the girls body, that’s what Im here for. I suppose some people like it, since it happens to various degree in every damn scene. But I can see that some people here are also annoyed by it.

    It’s just such a big waste when there is a good DP, and you can hear the girl being really into it, in the distance. But they don’t show me her face, or even her body. Just part of her ass, and two dicks. What the hell? I’m not overly homophobic, but I mean, when Im having sex I don’t spend all the time looking at my dick either. Agh.

    Some other points of less importance:
    - No fake breasts. They mostly don’t look right, and they never jiggle right.
    - Men shouldn’t make any sounds at all.
    - No slapping the girls, except on the ass
    - FFMs only really work if the girls also pleasure each other
    - Think more about the girls enjoying themselves. Female orgasms are the best.

  44. DeSade Says:

    Lots of good stuff said, one more opinion:

    I like domination, anal sex and so on, but this rough sex concept is often so…boring. BDSM is very much about clever humiliation, psychological power play and so on, not about who sticks the biggest possible thing in a girl’s ass. Grow up!

    And while growing up, do your homework: The world is full of great BDSM literature (check out e.g. bdsmlibrary.com) and tons of scenes and ideas just waiting to be filmed. Get out there and do some research. Do not just repeat the same thing over and over and over again.

  45. Ryan Says:

    No double pussy or anal, that shit is gross. I would like a bit more violence though, some choking and some slapping would be nice.

  46. Blingox1 Says:

    all i can say is awesome, the site, this blog, all your guys ideas its simply awesome. I don’t have the time to read them all right now but i will do, DP your comments were bang on and i agree with most of the comments from everyone. I would also like to see more elegant women and more erotic scenes that’s my addition xD

  47. wcfields Says:

    Agree with most above, but for me one thing is by far most important: Male talent should not be seen or heard from during a scene under any circumstances. Period. End of Story.

  48. Papayaman Says:

    I’m coming in late here, so there is really little if anything to add. But I would like to express my support for the many good suggestions, particularly for maintenance of decent technical standards (good camerawork and lighting for example) and some variety in terms of scenarios and sexual action. One thing that I dont think has been mentioned would be some maintenance of basic levels of professionalism. Amongst other things this would mean not doing things like employing (and then ridiculing) cracked out drug addicts and not tricking girls into engaging in action that they are not ready for. One hears persistent rumours about some porn producers tricking girls into doing things they had not anticipated. There has been a lot of talk on the net about one scene (not on this site) featuring Rebecca Linares in which she was surprised (and not a little unhappy) to realise it involved her being pissed on. I’m not against water sports in principle. Annette Schwartz looks hot when she takes pissing – but the point is that she is prepared for it. By its nature porn should be transgressive – but there is enough talent out there willing to engage in extreme acts (perhaps for enough money) that there should be no need to deceive women into doing things they would not otherwise do.

  49. zarafan Says:

    Wow, Papayaman: you raise an incredibly valid point here–one that goes beyond aesthetic standards into the realm of morality and law. Rebecca, one of my favorite pornstars to begin with!, should have been compensated monetarily for that scene, and it should never have been released if it involved something she was tricked or coerced into doing. On the one hand, this illustrates my point about the reciprocity between directors and performers, the need for the director to make his or her performers look as good as possible. On the other, it illustrates the need for porn workers to have a union. Poor Rebecca; power to the people!!

    Zarafan

  50. mack Says:

    1) I’m sick of gonzo and just fast forward through the inane comments from guys that talk like shitheads. The girl has to be really good for gonzo to work – see Backset Bangers #6 Scene 5.
    2) I’d like to see people having sex with each other instead of blandly going where so many others have gone. I don’t want to see yet another chick slobbering profusely all over the guys dick as the segue into yet another position.

    And 3) A plot sets up the scene and aids the viewers imagination. How many pizza delivery guys actually fuck hot women? None. People fuck because they know each other or they are very attracted to each other. So set that up – they’re married, dating, or the girl sees some guy she’s attracted to and meets him first. For instance, Girls of Desire scene 4 works not only because the girl is incredibly hot but also because they obviously know each other. That, in my mind, is believable. I really don’t want to see another Brooke B gonzo flick – sure she’s hot, but it’s boring.

  51. HotScooter2 Says:

    Hey Alison:

    haven’t written in much. been grumpy cause i haven’t been feeling well,and did not wish to take it out on you folks.
    i got a few comments on this subject but the main one is for the directors to get real. the viewers of porn we are not stupid and we know when we are being mislead into thinking the actor are even enjoying themselves.
    and the other comment concerns the cumshot. i am so fucking sick of the guy pulling out of her mouth or pussy and jacking off to cum in her mouth.any pornstar worth a crap can give a good enough blowjob to finish the guy off in her mouth.
    couple of great examples of blowjobs to completion ,are bang my culo 3,scene 1(on this site)and the original the bang van,scene 1 (not on this site unfortunately) hint alison please get it my friend)It features the incredible Haley Paige and is the best blowjoob to completion scener i have ever seen,and the next best is the bang my culo i mentioned.
    gonna crash out this old man is tired.
    If you folks ever want to see a great non porn flick see Grumpy olod men with jack lemmon and walter matthau

  52. G man Says:

    HotScooter – Hope you will be feeling better soon! (Take two Aspirin and call Sasha Grey in the morning).

    Papayaman – VERY important point. I don’t really have anything to add … just wanted to express my agreement and support.

  53. Boots Says:

    Zoom out. Show all of the girl’s figure, partly because it’s nice and partly because it helps establish context for the close-ups.

    Don’t cut between positions. I like to watch the girls moving and you get a bit more personality than with static screwing shots. And it’s less abstract. Too much porn is too abstract.

    Get the technical details right, especially lighting. Don’t think you can use available light outdoors – it’s never bright enough.

    Don’t be afraid to get some cum on the girl’s hair. She can shower afterwards.

  54. Papayaman Says:

    Thanks to Zarafan and G man for the supportive comments. Zarafan, just to clarify, I am only going off what I read in a forum about Rebecca. But it did feature a mail from Rebecca saying how pissed off she was about the scene and indicating her unhappiness at the way she was treated. I’m not sure if the girls need a union or effective agents who will negotiate properly and set parameters as to what their clients are willing to do. Having said that I seem to remember reading that sex worker’s unions have worked quite well in places like Holland! So maybe we should have power to the porn starlets!

  55. J. Says:

    1. the guys needs to know how to fuck. Too many times we have a hot chick who wants it hard, only to have the guy pull out after two or three pumps slap it around and try again, only to pull out again later she she can blow him a bit and then try again. If you are fucking a chick KEEP IT IN!

    2. Let the girl cum for God’s sake!

    3. Real tits! Too many thin tiny girls have HUGE fake tits. Kinzy Kenner looks gross with those huge tits, keep it natural.

  56. zarafan Says:

    Dear Papayaman,

    On further reflection, perhaps calling for a union was going a bit too far: a woman working in the sex industry is probably not all that interested in punching a time clock, attending local meetings, or answering to a shop steward!!! But they do deserve some sort of representation, and there should be enough oversight of the industry to prevent this kind of petty mistreatment from going unanswered. When all is said and done, I say: power to Rebecca!!!

    By the way, what forum did she participate in where you saw this posting? It sounds interesting!!

    All the best,

    Zarafan

  57. giamessi Says:

    I can’t stand dirty feet. If one is shooting footage and he notices that the actress’s feet are blackend by dirt, he should stop shooting and make her go wash that crap off.

  58. Tyler Says:

    Stop cutting to the guys ‘oh’ face. it kills my boner

  59. jfro Says:

    Some of this has been said before but here is a list from the most egregious to the more subtle:
    1) No guy jerking off…girl finishes or creampie everytime!
    2) No Girls with obvious and bad boob jobs
    3) No Guys telling the girl exactly what to do…it ain’t erotic unless it is obviously play between them
    4) Fewer Blowjobs that consist mainly of gagging or simple fast mechanical stimulation of the penis…more slow and sensual play of the lips…flirting with the dick, blowing on it
    5) Too much shooting women and scenes from below…I don’t look at women from that angle in real life…
    6) More teasing and flirting in the scenes
    7) More semi-clothed sex
    8) Start scenes with a seduction or story line that makes the sex believable
    9) More focus on giving the women orgasms..sometimes the guys pull out and stop just as a woman is getting excited.
    10) More uncontrolled and spontaneous scenes…I would like to see more guys shoot their load before the scene was supposd to…it’s more like real life when a woman does things that are really exciting

  60. harstad Says:

    Stop showing the guys face. Why would you even think of doing that?

  61. SweetBlackMagic Says:

    1. Less facials and more money shots on the body…ass, stomach, boobs, etc. I am so sick of facials.
    2. REAL creampies…all this editing isn’t fooling anyone…sorry.
    3. In the same vein as #2…just REAL money shots in general…not edited in at the end of a scene. Do these guys really have so much sex that they can’t come while fucking someone?
    4. More “romantic” scenes where both guys and girls actually seem to be into it…dirty talk and rougher sex are OK from time to time, but it seems to have become the norm.
    5. Less anal sex…never understood the infatuation with it.

  62. SweetBlackMagic Says:

    Oh…one more thing…more new MALE talent. I am so sick of seeing the same pricks over and over…it’s not like there aren’t guys out there lining up to do a porn…lol.

  63. Sax Monkey Says:

    No more terrible music! In fact, no more music ever outside of the opening “sexy girl approaching” scene. There are only 3 types of porn music and they all stink.
    -
    Here are the do not’s for porn music
    -
    1. 70’s funk porn should only be allowed for nostalgic and humourous effect. All women is these scenes need hairy snatches and all men need porn star mustaches.
    2. Smooth Skin-e-max Jazz that sounds like a watered down, low budget Miles Davis playing along with the automated backgrounds from a $30 keyboard is never allowed…and no “your” jazz music is not better than the other guys.
    3. Heavy Metal only works for violent or angry sex scenes. Heavy Metal angers the blood. Blood goes to penis. Penis gets angry. Angry penis = angry sex.
    4. All other music covers up the girls sexy sounds. Your music is not sexier than a woman’s moans. Well, except for you Barry White. I can’t get enough of your love music.

  64. Papayaman Says:

    Dear Zarafan,
    I hope I am not breaching any of VB’s rules to put the following in, but this should take you to the blog I was referring to: http://www.raincoatreviews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3311. It seems clear to me that Rebecca felt that at least she had been treated unprofessionally (I doubt you will be surprised by the perpetrator) and to my reading it seemed she had not been warned what kind of scene she was getting into. Happy reading and let us know what you think about it.

    I think your description of unions is very apt. It reminds me of Oscar Wilde’s description of socialism – ’sounds nice in theory, but who could be bothered going to all those meetings?’ But, you are right, there is a need for some sort of control in porn, whether self-regulated or otherwise, to protect girls like Rebecca from abuse like this. Such episodes only give strength to the anti-porn lobby.

  65. apefj3to2 Says:

    When in a great camera shot stick with it at least a couple of minutes.Sometimes the simplest angles are the best.Close-ups should be outlawed.Ever notice the most popular series on this site always have great extended,non-choppy scenes.
    And hire a lighting person who has a clue.It sounds so simple to an ousider you would think the pro’s would figure it out.

  66. funky Says:

    i agree with most everyone’s suggestion, the one i most agree with is this… tell the guys to shut the hell up! nobody wants to hear them, see them, and other than the sight of their cocks going up in some gorgeous woman’s pussy or asshole, no one wants to even acknowledge that they are there!

  67. wcfields Says:

    The girl credited as “Lorena” in “Look At That Big Ass #3, Scene 4″ – Does anyone know where I can find more of her? Is she listed on the site under any other names?

    PS – VB, this is why we need a forum. It can’t be that hard to just get a simple forum set up.

  68. wcfields Says:

    PS – I checked iafd already, and it listed her as “Lorena Blond”…However, the picture they show with her is clearly not the same girl, and not nearly as hot. So…

  69. zarafan Says:

    Dear Papayaman,

    Thanks for sending this blog link, which I’m looking forward to following up on shortly. Thanks as well and especially for the Oscar Wilde quote–like Rebecca Linares (and who would have expected to use THOSE two names in the same sentence!!), one of my all-time favorites!!

    Best wishes and to be continued, I’m sure,

    Zarafan

  70. Bob Says:

    Regarding the infamous guy-jacking-off-facial finishing move, I think that many (perhaps most) directors would prefer not to use it, but the alternative often isn’t viable.
    -
    It may seem inconceivable to the viewer that the male talent wouldn’t be able to cum when ’s lips are wrapped around his cock, but the reality is that often he can’t. For any number of reasons: he booked too many shoots in a row, he’s just not really into the girl, she’s not really that good at fellatio, etc, etc (and remember, the male talent might be hard because of viagara, not because of the girl; that is, an erection doesn’t necessarily mean that he is aroused).
    -
    So the director has to face a choice, he/she can wait around and encourage the two performers to get into it, and wait, and wait, and wait (and watch the budget slip into the red), or they can just say “just jack off and let’s get this thing done”.
    -
    Of course, some (most?) directors do give the guy-jacking-off-facial just because they think we want it. But have some pity for the directors who want a natural finish, but it just isn’t in the cards.

  71. Tyler Says:

    oh yeah, also what the hell is it with the trampoline fucking? Why do people think that that on top of a giant trampoline is good place to shoot a scene?!

  72. nairobi2 Says:

    Thanks for the opportunity to share my thoughts (and maybe influence the quality!)

    1) Let the girl finish off the guy
    2) No slapping
    3) No spitting, especially in a girl’s mouth
    4) No closeups of the guy – we’re here for the women
    5) Heavy breathing from the women is nice – screaming throughout the video gets to be too much
    6) I love closeups of the pussy – but I agree the camera cannot stay there – zoom out once in a while so we can adore the full beauty of the woman
    7) Make sure the lighting is right – no dark or whiteouts, especially on outdoor scenes
    8) Use good quality equipment so the video is clear and all the detail is crisp

    Thanks again for the opportunity to comment Alison!

  73. Papayaman Says:

    Dear Zarafan,
    You’re most welcome, both for the blog and the quote. I’ll be interested to read what you have to say about the blog/forum. Some of it is rather shaky translations from Spanish, but I got the distinct impression that Rebecca had gone into this shoot with very little idea or warning about a number of the things that were going to happen to her.

    Just to say also that for me Nairobi2 really hit a lot of the nails on the head. Whilst I appreciate that sometimes a finish by the girl cannot be achieved (for the reasons outlined by Bob), if Nairobi2’s other injunctions were observed that would be close to the ideal situation in my view.

  74. MrXXX Says:

    All the points I want to make have been well made but it never hurts to add an extra voice. I want to see:

    1. less facials. It seems 99% of scenes end with them and it’s gone way beyond boring.

    2. less anal. I have no desire to do it, much less watch it.

    3. no fake tits. Small natural ones are great too. Except in the case of Kitty who just doesn’t have anything up there at all, which I find freaky.

    4. less cumshots on the feet. Who gets off watching that?

    5. no more Nick Manning and his incessant “droppin’ fuckin’ loads.” He’s a twat.

    6. more cumshots all over the tummy and tits. They’re the best.

  75. alison Says:

    I don’t have a whole lot of time (or I’d just write a post), because I’m heading back from a trade show right now, but I just wanted to mention this one quick thing:

    I did, in fact, get to show this post to a very famous director who had some interesting feedback on what he read. Anyone have a guess who it was?

    Look out for an actual post about it tonight or tomorrow…

  76. Klent Says:

    1.More cameltoes
    2.More P.O.V.
    3.Brighter lights

  77. zarafan Says:

    Dear Papayaman,

    I did follow the link you were kind enough to provide; although do to the quality of translation I found it very difficult to follow (I probably would have done better struggling my way through the original–and I don’t even speak Spanish!!) I definitely got the gist that Max Hardcore is a big fat jerk (surprise, surprise!!). I hope there will be more opportunities to interact with Rebecca, and since her English is definitely stronger than my Spanish, I hope she’ll show up at an English-language forum sometime soon….

    Dear Alison,

    Brandon Iron?? Please let us know who your director-contact is and please let us know about his (his?!) feedback….

    Looking forward to hearing from you both again sometime soon.

    Best wishes,

    Zarafan

  78. James Says:

    My only suggestion is at the end of a MFF threesome, get the guy to cum on one of the pussies and then have the other girl lick it off while giving the girl head.

  79. eandt Says:

    From both our perspectives(m&f)….enough with the gagging.

    If a girl is taking a guy all the way down and she gags a bit, fine, thats natural but the “hardcore” and incredibly annoying mouth fucking that leads to gagging is a total turn off.

    Its seems most of the movies now are some loudmouth taping someone else…learn to shut up.

    If the mainstream media only picked up these kinds of movies I can see where they get the idea of porn being degrading to women.

    You can have hardcore without being a total jackass doing it.

  80. ummm Says:

    OK here goes:

    1) Tell the girls to STOP SPITTING! It’s disgusting. It’s not sexy. It looks stupid. I don’t want some girl spitting on my dick, and it ruins the scene to watch her spitting on someone else’s.

    2) I totally agree with telling the guys to shut the fuck up, or, if they do speak, say something nice or seductive, maybe even show some real attraction. Really, if I were in their position (heh), humping some hot pornstar, I’d be plenty grateful and gracious. I might even be in love (for a brief while anyway), and I’d show it. Do that.

    3) What a lot of the comments boil down to, is amateur-style couples and groups, at ease and comfortable with each other, genuinely turned on by each other, and filmed professionally with good light, good sound, and nice-looking sets. I want amateur-style natural sex, filmed with professional-style production values. If you figure that formula out, you will make big bank. Actually, some of the fetish sites have gotten very close to figuring that out already (i.e. ticklingwomen.net), so follow their lead and branch it out to more conventional sucking/fucking/etc.

  81. Same old same old Says:

    I’m tired of the same old stuff. It seems like most new porn is:

    Turn camera on
    Girl dances and flashes her stuff as intro
    Girl gets fucked and makes way too much fake noise
    Repeat for all scenes

    There’s no creativity. Guy pulls out his dick, she sucks it for a bit, he licks her pussy for a bit, she gets fucked in the pussy for a bit, maybe gets fucked in the ass for a bit, gets cum shot in her mouth/face. End Scene. Next.

    I’m not so much saying I want a long drawn out story, but some of the stuff in the Classic section blows (pun not intended) away the new stuff.

    This is not a shot at VideoBox, hell no! VideoBox puts up good stuff, its the guys who decide one day, “Let’s make porn” that make the crap but studios buy it because its cheap and they make a buttload of money off of it. (pun intended)

  82. wcfields Says:

    I think one funny thing about this entire post is that it doesn’t admit to any presuppositions about who porn directors are. If we think so much porn direction sucks and we could all do better, then why don’t we? Why don’t we go get jobs directing porn?

    The answer is, of course, that even though it seems incredibly easy to do, directing porn is not an easy job to GET. It requires (I’d imagine just like directing legit films) a great deal of dedication and dues-paying. I find it less than surprising that it is a rather narrow section of the population who goes after those limited opportunities.

    Porn direction is a career that gets you embraced by a small subculture of people and shunned by society at large. It is morally questionable, and it indicates a certain attitude towards women. (Obviously there will be exceptions, but the ability to look a woman right in the eye and inform her she’ll be taking two cocks up the ass simultaneously indicates something about a person’s character.)

    We should never, never forget this fact. It helps explain why so much porn is the same, and why so much of it seems overly aggressive, demeaning, and outright unsexy: The people who make it went through a long struggle to get there, shunned and rejected the normal moral codes of society, and did all this because they love cheap, naked coked-up 19 year olds. God Bless them for it, but if we’re expecting such people to have artistic subtlety then we are expecting too much.

  83. Myway Says:

    I’d like to see some toys: cock rings, plugs, ball lace (in a HJ video, for instance). Not really fetish, but just to show that they can improve pleasure.
    Thanks for the opportunity

  84. george Says:

    As a non porn videoproducer I can appreciate some of the difficulties envolved in this genre.

    Here are my pet peeves. Whats the point of a teen
    video if shes wearing ten pounds of makeup? Men generally don’t like makeup. Makeup is fine if not noticed.

    Videobox videos features mostly scenes where all girls
    wear the same hooker uniform. Lots of makeup and those ridiculous hooker shoes.

    Would like to see more talking before and during by the ladies.

  85. Brandon Iron Says:

    Lots of good ideas here! Like many others, I get spoiled and crank out some work that could have easily been improved by taking more time to focus on doing things properly instead of rushing. Some of the feedback is pure gold.

  86. b Says:

    Things I like to see are:
    Pretty girl, wearing real clothes not plastic flash. Soft romance that turns to hardcore sex but laced with kissing, caressing and so on. I love it when her clothes are removed piece by piece but I also appreciate seeing him squirt on her face and hair and her top or dress. And I especially like seeing him kiss her full on the mouth afterward.

  87. Maul Says:

    MILF’s that aren’t in there 20’s. When I click MILF i want a chick who looks like a friends hot mom, not a 22 year old who is only a milf cause He BF forgot the rubber.

    More romance.

    Less POV shit. I hate this handheld costs 50 bucks to make a scene cheap crap, make it look like a real movie, have the performers ignore the camera.

    Guys, SHUT THE FUCK UP. All guys add to the scene is, ‘holy shit’ ‘aww yeah, look at those tittys’ ‘aw shit’

  88. Maul Says:

    Anal should be reserved as well for when its really getting hot.

    I also like good music in the scene.

    More kissing.

    More tranny features should be Tranny with real girl. I don’t like greasy porn star men, and the trannys aren’t very hot but hotter than a dude so when they screw a real chick its like a regular porn scene with a slightly better looking dude.

  89. Jk Says:

    -No sounds from the guy
    -More intros where the girl says what she wants the person she’s talking to (the user watching the video), to do to her

  90. CobieH Says:

    I just hate music in Porn! Even if it were well produced music (which it never is). If I really wanted music I could always play something “I” enjoy as I watch it (which I never would). I LOVE NASTY TALK (from the girl only). The guys should keep quiet!

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