One Suggestion for Porn Directors

Porn Director
I think we can all agree that the vast majority of porn directors could use a little guidance from actual porn fans. When devoted blog reader and commenter Fedor emailed me with the idea to do a post on the subject, I thought it was a great idea.

His personal suggestion was “Let the girls finish the shot and not have the guy jerk off.” I suspect that’s an answer most of us can agree with. I thought about it for a while and mine is “Tell the guys to shut the hell up.” Now, I want to hear from you. If you could give a porn director one piece of advice, what would it be? Let’s hear it in the comments.

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91 Responses to “One Suggestion for Porn Directors”

  1. HotScooter2 Says:

    Hey Alison:

    haven’t written in much. been grumpy cause i haven’t been feeling well,and did not wish to take it out on you folks.
    i got a few comments on this subject but the main one is for the directors to get real. the viewers of porn we are not stupid and we know when we are being mislead into thinking the actor are even enjoying themselves.
    and the other comment concerns the cumshot. i am so fucking sick of the guy pulling out of her mouth or pussy and jacking off to cum in her mouth.any pornstar worth a crap can give a good enough blowjob to finish the guy off in her mouth.
    couple of great examples of blowjobs to completion ,are bang my culo 3,scene 1(on this site)and the original the bang van,scene 1 (not on this site unfortunately) hint alison please get it my friend)It features the incredible Haley Paige and is the best blowjoob to completion scener i have ever seen,and the next best is the bang my culo i mentioned.
    gonna crash out this old man is tired.
    If you folks ever want to see a great non porn flick see Grumpy olod men with jack lemmon and walter matthau

  2. G man Says:

    HotScooter – Hope you will be feeling better soon! (Take two Aspirin and call Sasha Grey in the morning).

    Papayaman – VERY important point. I don’t really have anything to add … just wanted to express my agreement and support.

  3. Boots Says:

    Zoom out. Show all of the girl’s figure, partly because it’s nice and partly because it helps establish context for the close-ups.

    Don’t cut between positions. I like to watch the girls moving and you get a bit more personality than with static screwing shots. And it’s less abstract. Too much porn is too abstract.

    Get the technical details right, especially lighting. Don’t think you can use available light outdoors – it’s never bright enough.

    Don’t be afraid to get some cum on the girl’s hair. She can shower afterwards.

  4. Papayaman Says:

    Thanks to Zarafan and G man for the supportive comments. Zarafan, just to clarify, I am only going off what I read in a forum about Rebecca. But it did feature a mail from Rebecca saying how pissed off she was about the scene and indicating her unhappiness at the way she was treated. I’m not sure if the girls need a union or effective agents who will negotiate properly and set parameters as to what their clients are willing to do. Having said that I seem to remember reading that sex worker’s unions have worked quite well in places like Holland! So maybe we should have power to the porn starlets!

  5. J. Says:

    1. the guys needs to know how to fuck. Too many times we have a hot chick who wants it hard, only to have the guy pull out after two or three pumps slap it around and try again, only to pull out again later she she can blow him a bit and then try again. If you are fucking a chick KEEP IT IN!

    2. Let the girl cum for God’s sake!

    3. Real tits! Too many thin tiny girls have HUGE fake tits. Kinzy Kenner looks gross with those huge tits, keep it natural.

  6. zarafan Says:

    Dear Papayaman,

    On further reflection, perhaps calling for a union was going a bit too far: a woman working in the sex industry is probably not all that interested in punching a time clock, attending local meetings, or answering to a shop steward!!! But they do deserve some sort of representation, and there should be enough oversight of the industry to prevent this kind of petty mistreatment from going unanswered. When all is said and done, I say: power to Rebecca!!!

    By the way, what forum did she participate in where you saw this posting? It sounds interesting!!

    All the best,

    Zarafan

  7. giamessi Says:

    I can’t stand dirty feet. If one is shooting footage and he notices that the actress’s feet are blackend by dirt, he should stop shooting and make her go wash that crap off.

  8. Tyler Says:

    Stop cutting to the guys ‘oh’ face. it kills my boner

  9. jfro Says:

    Some of this has been said before but here is a list from the most egregious to the more subtle:
    1) No guy jerking off…girl finishes or creampie everytime!
    2) No Girls with obvious and bad boob jobs
    3) No Guys telling the girl exactly what to do…it ain’t erotic unless it is obviously play between them
    4) Fewer Blowjobs that consist mainly of gagging or simple fast mechanical stimulation of the penis…more slow and sensual play of the lips…flirting with the dick, blowing on it
    5) Too much shooting women and scenes from below…I don’t look at women from that angle in real life…
    6) More teasing and flirting in the scenes
    7) More semi-clothed sex
    8) Start scenes with a seduction or story line that makes the sex believable
    9) More focus on giving the women orgasms..sometimes the guys pull out and stop just as a woman is getting excited.
    10) More uncontrolled and spontaneous scenes…I would like to see more guys shoot their load before the scene was supposd to…it’s more like real life when a woman does things that are really exciting

  10. harstad Says:

    Stop showing the guys face. Why would you even think of doing that?

  11. SweetBlackMagic Says:

    1. Less facials and more money shots on the body…ass, stomach, boobs, etc. I am so sick of facials.
    2. REAL creampies…all this editing isn’t fooling anyone…sorry.
    3. In the same vein as #2…just REAL money shots in general…not edited in at the end of a scene. Do these guys really have so much sex that they can’t come while fucking someone?
    4. More “romantic” scenes where both guys and girls actually seem to be into it…dirty talk and rougher sex are OK from time to time, but it seems to have become the norm.
    5. Less anal sex…never understood the infatuation with it.

  12. SweetBlackMagic Says:

    Oh…one more thing…more new MALE talent. I am so sick of seeing the same pricks over and over…it’s not like there aren’t guys out there lining up to do a porn…lol.

  13. Sax Monkey Says:

    No more terrible music! In fact, no more music ever outside of the opening “sexy girl approaching” scene. There are only 3 types of porn music and they all stink.

    Here are the do not’s for porn music

    1. 70’s funk porn should only be allowed for nostalgic and humourous effect. All women is these scenes need hairy snatches and all men need porn star mustaches.
    2. Smooth Skin-e-max Jazz that sounds like a watered down, low budget Miles Davis playing along with the automated backgrounds from a $30 keyboard is never allowed…and no “your” jazz music is not better than the other guys.
    3. Heavy Metal only works for violent or angry sex scenes. Heavy Metal angers the blood. Blood goes to penis. Penis gets angry. Angry penis = angry sex.
    4. All other music covers up the girls sexy sounds. Your music is not sexier than a woman’s moans. Well, except for you Barry White. I can’t get enough of your love music.

  14. Papayaman Says:

    Dear Zarafan,
    I hope I am not breaching any of VB’s rules to put the following in, but this should take you to the blog I was referring to: http://www.raincoatreviews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3311. It seems clear to me that Rebecca felt that at least she had been treated unprofessionally (I doubt you will be surprised by the perpetrator) and to my reading it seemed she had not been warned what kind of scene she was getting into. Happy reading and let us know what you think about it.

    I think your description of unions is very apt. It reminds me of Oscar Wilde’s description of socialism – ‘sounds nice in theory, but who could be bothered going to all those meetings?’ But, you are right, there is a need for some sort of control in porn, whether self-regulated or otherwise, to protect girls like Rebecca from abuse like this. Such episodes only give strength to the anti-porn lobby.

  15. apefj3to2 Says:

    When in a great camera shot stick with it at least a couple of minutes.Sometimes the simplest angles are the best.Close-ups should be outlawed.Ever notice the most popular series on this site always have great extended,non-choppy scenes.
    And hire a lighting person who has a clue.It sounds so simple to an ousider you would think the pro’s would figure it out.

  16. funky Says:

    i agree with most everyone’s suggestion, the one i most agree with is this… tell the guys to shut the hell up! nobody wants to hear them, see them, and other than the sight of their cocks going up in some gorgeous woman’s pussy or asshole, no one wants to even acknowledge that they are there!

  17. wcfields Says:

    The girl credited as “Lorena” in “Look At That Big Ass #3, Scene 4” – Does anyone know where I can find more of her? Is she listed on the site under any other names?

    PS – VB, this is why we need a forum. It can’t be that hard to just get a simple forum set up.

  18. wcfields Says:

    PS – I checked iafd already, and it listed her as “Lorena Blond”…However, the picture they show with her is clearly not the same girl, and not nearly as hot. So…

  19. zarafan Says:

    Dear Papayaman,

    Thanks for sending this blog link, which I’m looking forward to following up on shortly. Thanks as well and especially for the Oscar Wilde quote–like Rebecca Linares (and who would have expected to use THOSE two names in the same sentence!!), one of my all-time favorites!!

    Best wishes and to be continued, I’m sure,

    Zarafan

  20. Bob Says:

    Regarding the infamous guy-jacking-off-facial finishing move, I think that many (perhaps most) directors would prefer not to use it, but the alternative often isn’t viable.

    It may seem inconceivable to the viewer that the male talent wouldn’t be able to cum when ‘s lips are wrapped around his cock, but the reality is that often he can’t. For any number of reasons: he booked too many shoots in a row, he’s just not really into the girl, she’s not really that good at fellatio, etc, etc (and remember, the male talent might be hard because of viagara, not because of the girl; that is, an erection doesn’t necessarily mean that he is aroused).

    So the director has to face a choice, he/she can wait around and encourage the two performers to get into it, and wait, and wait, and wait (and watch the budget slip into the red), or they can just say “just jack off and let’s get this thing done”.

    Of course, some (most?) directors do give the guy-jacking-off-facial just because they think we want it. But have some pity for the directors who want a natural finish, but it just isn’t in the cards.

  21. Tyler Says:

    oh yeah, also what the hell is it with the trampoline fucking? Why do people think that that on top of a giant trampoline is good place to shoot a scene?!

  22. nairobi2 Says:

    Thanks for the opportunity to share my thoughts (and maybe influence the quality!)

    1) Let the girl finish off the guy
    2) No slapping
    3) No spitting, especially in a girl’s mouth
    4) No closeups of the guy – we’re here for the women
    5) Heavy breathing from the women is nice – screaming throughout the video gets to be too much
    6) I love closeups of the pussy – but I agree the camera cannot stay there – zoom out once in a while so we can adore the full beauty of the woman
    7) Make sure the lighting is right – no dark or whiteouts, especially on outdoor scenes
    8) Use good quality equipment so the video is clear and all the detail is crisp

    Thanks again for the opportunity to comment Alison!

  23. Papayaman Says:

    Dear Zarafan,
    You’re most welcome, both for the blog and the quote. I’ll be interested to read what you have to say about the blog/forum. Some of it is rather shaky translations from Spanish, but I got the distinct impression that Rebecca had gone into this shoot with very little idea or warning about a number of the things that were going to happen to her.

    Just to say also that for me Nairobi2 really hit a lot of the nails on the head. Whilst I appreciate that sometimes a finish by the girl cannot be achieved (for the reasons outlined by Bob), if Nairobi2’s other injunctions were observed that would be close to the ideal situation in my view.

  24. MrXXX Says:

    All the points I want to make have been well made but it never hurts to add an extra voice. I want to see:

    1. less facials. It seems 99% of scenes end with them and it’s gone way beyond boring.

    2. less anal. I have no desire to do it, much less watch it.

    3. no fake tits. Small natural ones are great too. Except in the case of Kitty who just doesn’t have anything up there at all, which I find freaky.

    4. less cumshots on the feet. Who gets off watching that?

    5. no more Nick Manning and his incessant “droppin’ fuckin’ loads.” He’s a twat.

    6. more cumshots all over the tummy and tits. They’re the best.

  25. alison Says:

    I don’t have a whole lot of time (or I’d just write a post), because I’m heading back from a trade show right now, but I just wanted to mention this one quick thing:

    I did, in fact, get to show this post to a very famous director who had some interesting feedback on what he read. Anyone have a guess who it was?

    Look out for an actual post about it tonight or tomorrow…

  26. Klent Says:

    1.More cameltoes
    2.More P.O.V.
    3.Brighter lights

  27. zarafan Says:

    Dear Papayaman,

    I did follow the link you were kind enough to provide; although do to the quality of translation I found it very difficult to follow (I probably would have done better struggling my way through the original–and I don’t even speak Spanish!!) I definitely got the gist that Max Hardcore is a big fat jerk (surprise, surprise!!). I hope there will be more opportunities to interact with Rebecca, and since her English is definitely stronger than my Spanish, I hope she’ll show up at an English-language forum sometime soon….

    Dear Alison,

    Brandon Iron?? Please let us know who your director-contact is and please let us know about his (his?!) feedback….

    Looking forward to hearing from you both again sometime soon.

    Best wishes,

    Zarafan

  28. James Says:

    My only suggestion is at the end of a MFF threesome, get the guy to cum on one of the pussies and then have the other girl lick it off while giving the girl head.

  29. eandt Says:

    From both our perspectives(m&f)….enough with the gagging.

    If a girl is taking a guy all the way down and she gags a bit, fine, thats natural but the “hardcore” and incredibly annoying mouth fucking that leads to gagging is a total turn off.

    Its seems most of the movies now are some loudmouth taping someone else…learn to shut up.

    If the mainstream media only picked up these kinds of movies I can see where they get the idea of porn being degrading to women.

    You can have hardcore without being a total jackass doing it.

  30. ummm Says:

    OK here goes:

    1) Tell the girls to STOP SPITTING! It’s disgusting. It’s not sexy. It looks stupid. I don’t want some girl spitting on my dick, and it ruins the scene to watch her spitting on someone else’s.

    2) I totally agree with telling the guys to shut the fuck up, or, if they do speak, say something nice or seductive, maybe even show some real attraction. Really, if I were in their position (heh), humping some hot pornstar, I’d be plenty grateful and gracious. I might even be in love (for a brief while anyway), and I’d show it. Do that.

    3) What a lot of the comments boil down to, is amateur-style couples and groups, at ease and comfortable with each other, genuinely turned on by each other, and filmed professionally with good light, good sound, and nice-looking sets. I want amateur-style natural sex, filmed with professional-style production values. If you figure that formula out, you will make big bank. Actually, some of the fetish sites have gotten very close to figuring that out already (i.e. ticklingwomen.net), so follow their lead and branch it out to more conventional sucking/fucking/etc.

  31. Same old same old Says:

    I’m tired of the same old stuff. It seems like most new porn is:

    Turn camera on
    Girl dances and flashes her stuff as intro
    Girl gets fucked and makes way too much fake noise
    Repeat for all scenes

    There’s no creativity. Guy pulls out his dick, she sucks it for a bit, he licks her pussy for a bit, she gets fucked in the pussy for a bit, maybe gets fucked in the ass for a bit, gets cum shot in her mouth/face. End Scene. Next.

    I’m not so much saying I want a long drawn out story, but some of the stuff in the Classic section blows (pun not intended) away the new stuff.

    This is not a shot at VideoBox, hell no! VideoBox puts up good stuff, its the guys who decide one day, “Let’s make porn” that make the crap but studios buy it because its cheap and they make a buttload of money off of it. (pun intended)

  32. wcfields Says:

    I think one funny thing about this entire post is that it doesn’t admit to any presuppositions about who porn directors are. If we think so much porn direction sucks and we could all do better, then why don’t we? Why don’t we go get jobs directing porn?

    The answer is, of course, that even though it seems incredibly easy to do, directing porn is not an easy job to GET. It requires (I’d imagine just like directing legit films) a great deal of dedication and dues-paying. I find it less than surprising that it is a rather narrow section of the population who goes after those limited opportunities.

    Porn direction is a career that gets you embraced by a small subculture of people and shunned by society at large. It is morally questionable, and it indicates a certain attitude towards women. (Obviously there will be exceptions, but the ability to look a woman right in the eye and inform her she’ll be taking two cocks up the ass simultaneously indicates something about a person’s character.)

    We should never, never forget this fact. It helps explain why so much porn is the same, and why so much of it seems overly aggressive, demeaning, and outright unsexy: The people who make it went through a long struggle to get there, shunned and rejected the normal moral codes of society, and did all this because they love cheap, naked coked-up 19 year olds. God Bless them for it, but if we’re expecting such people to have artistic subtlety then we are expecting too much.

  33. Myway Says:

    I’d like to see some toys: cock rings, plugs, ball lace (in a HJ video, for instance). Not really fetish, but just to show that they can improve pleasure.
    Thanks for the opportunity

  34. george Says:

    As a non porn videoproducer I can appreciate some of the difficulties envolved in this genre.

    Here are my pet peeves. Whats the point of a teen
    video if shes wearing ten pounds of makeup? Men generally don’t like makeup. Makeup is fine if not noticed.

    Videobox videos features mostly scenes where all girls
    wear the same hooker uniform. Lots of makeup and those ridiculous hooker shoes.

    Would like to see more talking before and during by the ladies.

  35. Brandon Iron Says:

    Lots of good ideas here! Like many others, I get spoiled and crank out some work that could have easily been improved by taking more time to focus on doing things properly instead of rushing. Some of the feedback is pure gold.

  36. b Says:

    Things I like to see are:
    Pretty girl, wearing real clothes not plastic flash. Soft romance that turns to hardcore sex but laced with kissing, caressing and so on. I love it when her clothes are removed piece by piece but I also appreciate seeing him squirt on her face and hair and her top or dress. And I especially like seeing him kiss her full on the mouth afterward.

  37. Maul Says:

    MILF’s that aren’t in there 20’s. When I click MILF i want a chick who looks like a friends hot mom, not a 22 year old who is only a milf cause He BF forgot the rubber.

    More romance.

    Less POV shit. I hate this handheld costs 50 bucks to make a scene cheap crap, make it look like a real movie, have the performers ignore the camera.

    Guys, SHUT THE FUCK UP. All guys add to the scene is, ‘holy shit’ ‘aww yeah, look at those tittys’ ‘aw shit’

  38. Maul Says:

    Anal should be reserved as well for when its really getting hot.

    I also like good music in the scene.

    More kissing.

    More tranny features should be Tranny with real girl. I don’t like greasy porn star men, and the trannys aren’t very hot but hotter than a dude so when they screw a real chick its like a regular porn scene with a slightly better looking dude.

  39. Jk Says:

    -No sounds from the guy
    -More intros where the girl says what she wants the person she’s talking to (the user watching the video), to do to her

  40. CobieH Says:

    I just hate music in Porn! Even if it were well produced music (which it never is). If I really wanted music I could always play something “I” enjoy as I watch it (which I never would). I LOVE NASTY TALK (from the girl only). The guys should keep quiet!

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