Fisting Fiasco

Yesterday saw the posting of Chloe’s I Came, Did You? from Elegant Angel. Scene 3 is an all girl threesome featuring Chloe, Shelby Myne, and Tina Tyler. Some fifteen minutes into the scene (15:13), Chloe lays back into the arms of Shelby. Tina approaches and the pink glove covering her hand, wrist, and forearm is a not so subtle hint that Tina’s intentions go way beyond lightly stroking Chloe’s outer labia. Just as Tina is about to plunge her entire hand into Chloe’s pussy, a black box appears on the screen, obliterating the action.



In this post, Alison informs, “There is no law prohibiting fisting in porn in the US. It’s widely considered a no-no, however, because in 1999, Seymore Butts was prosecuted for obscenity for a double fisting scene ….”

Should fisting be censored? Let’s do an old-fashioned poll. Old fashioned in that I don’t know how to insert the poll where you click in a yes or no answer. Therefore, you’ll have to manually respond to the post. Tell me Yes, fisting should be censored, we may go blind if allowed to see what actually takes place behind the black box. Or tell me No, fisting should not be censored; it’s mild compared to the choking, slapping, spitting, hair pulling, toilet dunking, etc. already depicted. Feel free to elaborate upon your answer.

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54 Responses to “Fisting Fiasco”

  1. WTF Says:

    No, Who finds this offense? If you don’t like it, don’t watch it. A whole hand in a pussy is bad, but everyone seems to walk around with their head up their ass.

  2. Misanthrope Says:

    No, I don’t think anyone would find it offensive, but more so see it as pushing their limits. Cody Lane’s scene in “Teen Line: Blue Room,” pushed our limits. The shemales, push the limits of some of us. But really you have DP all over the place, the spitting, gagging, etc. Why not show the fisting? It’s like if you were to ask your g/f who does really hardcore shit, down for anything you’ve brought up before, and then you go “can I fist you?” And she gives that blank stare. Jaw drop. She didn’t find it offensive, just the thought of that is surprising and pushes the limits. The same way with your customers. Push our limits, notice how many reviews you get on that scene. Break the boundaries. Don’t let the man get you down!

  3. housedj69 Says:

    No, its not offensive at all. But even if I was offended by it, who am I to say that somebody else can’t watch it? I really think that the governments in North America (I’m Canadian) spend too much time worrying about what we do in the privacy of our own homes. Is a fisting scene really that important compared to some of the bigger problems affecting our continent? Who cares if some girl wants to get fisted on tape and someone else wants to watch it? I can see far more disturbing shit on television, and in the movies. Where is the black box for extreme violence? It’s a sad day when showing sexuality is considered worse than watching someone being tortured and murdered in a movie.

  4. Strangepork Says:

    No. I don’t personally care for it, but it is none of my business what other people want to do or watch. I will simply not watch the videos that don’t interest me. Censorship just defeats the purpose of watching porn in the first place, and it takes away the freedom to choose what I want to see.

  5. Anthony Says:

    Of course it shouldn’t be censored. Ridiculous.

  6. ths Says:

    No! Fisting is so cool. Please, more fisting!

  7. xposh Says:

    No. If a chick wants to be fisted I’ll gladly watch. ;)

  8. fat_rush Says:

    why does (Edited – rope) allow fisting to be shown; there are several nella flicks that show her giving and receiving…fukeen hawt. they also have a hawt train flick w/ brianna love, sasha grey & belladonna (no fisting); there’s also a couple of sophie moones’ (no fisting) that will blow ur load…all free. but why do they allow fisting and we (lol) don’t? just being fat and nosey.

  9. wcfields Says:

    Haha, what a poll, asking about censorship on a porno site. Gee, I wonder how many ‘Yes’ answers you’re likely to get? Seriously, though, it’s patently obvious that fisting is not any more obscene than a dozen other acts shown in full glory on the site. At least some of the women actually do seem to get off on it. Not really my thing, but censorship on a hardcore porno site is laughable.

  10. tyler Says:

    hell no

  11. Jason Says:

    No. Period.

    Someone mentioned the how senseless it is that North Americans are more offended by sex than violence. This now gives us a PERFECT example of that all on one little site. I mean it’s ok for 3 guys to slap, choke, and gang bang Cody Lane in a scene that’s downright disturbing to most and could be passed off as a real rape video to anyone that didn’t know where it came from.

    But fisting?! Oh, no, no, no. That’s just too much. You can slap her, you can choke her, hell you can probably haul off and donkey punch her if you find a girl cracked out and desperate for money enough to say ok to it. But don’t you DARE stick that hand in her snatch!!!

    What’s the message here? Things that cause pain = good, things that cause pleasure = bad. That’s what it seems to be. I shouldn’t be surprised, that’s always been the way on this backwards continent we call home.

    It also makes zero sense because not too long ago there was a video posted on here called King Dong or something like that and he monstrosity of a dildo used in the last 2 scenes of that movie is *MUCH* larger than a fist. So inserting large objects into a pussy is OK as long as it’s not attached to a person, then?

    NOTE: Personally I find fisting as repulsive as “too hardcore” borderline rape movies like Blue Room. However, to each his own. If that’s the kind of thing that gets you off, then by all means enjoy.

  12. M0N5T3R Says:

    No, and im being pretty neutral about this. the expressed interest of pornography doesnt protect it from censorship, but its hard to dispute that purpose behind fists inside pussies has never been misrepresented. it seems like a blunt practice. and its not permitted in my orifices.. but i think i deserve to admire those who can hack it.

  13. G man Says:

    Being from a country with a very liberal attitude towards sex I really, really, really don’t get this. Why the blazes is fisting quasi-criminal and two cocks in the ass, rough throating or simulated rape isn’t???
    Porn scenes CAN be upsetting. – When I see a totally vanilla scene with a 20 year old girl who looks to be uncomfortable fucking before the camera it distresses me. When I see a veteran porn star making a pathetic comeback to support an uncontrollable drug habit it distresses me. When I see any scene which perpetuates racist of misogynist stereotypes it distresses me.
    When I see a scene with hot people engaging in hot sex acts, that they are comfortable with – however kinky – I smile … my cock gets hard … and I have a solid old wank.
    Here endeth the lesson.

  14. itz420 Says:

    No, unless its an asshole fisting and fecal matter comes out in which case it should be edited out. Fisting assholes with no fecal matter is ok

  15. HotScooter2 Says:

    No. emphatically no. i would not watch it but would not even consider the idea of denying others of the right to see it.i am not going to mention names but vote wisely in the next election .as our basic constitutional rights may be in jeopardy.

  16. brumbrum Says:

    Nothing consensual should be censored, ever!!

  17. brumbrum Says:

    “…vote wisely in the next election .as our basic constitutional rights may be in jeopardy.”

    I just want to add: As much as industries like porn complain about the Bush Administration, please note that Seymore Butts was prosecuted during the Clinton years.

    Two points:

    1) Presidents and administrations have less power than one might think

    2) Think of organizations, institutions, bureaus and the like as nothing but smoke and mirrors. At the end of the day, censorship is one individual telling another individual what /not to say. Now, in your mind, transform that one-on-one interaction into a Zen kind of philosophy: No individual truly has power over you; and, don’t lend energy to interactions you’d rather not have. Don’t fight. Acknowledge and ignore.

  18. fedor Says:

    Thats so tame compared to what else is out there…

    But what do I care..as long as they’re willing to have it done to them do and view what pleases you.

  19. enu Says:

    No.

  20. zarafan Says:

    Not only do I not object to fisting per se, but I wish that VB would re-load its posting of the original “Candy Stripers” movie, so that the fisting sequences and the rest of the sex aren’t split into two non-contiguous parts…. Any chance of that happening, Alison or Content Dude?

    Thanks,

    Zarafan

  21. lickmylovepump Says:

    No.

    This is what Republicans do, people. Alberto Gonzalez claimed that pornography was America’s greatest threat. They prosecute things that “might” be obscene — but even if they lose, they scare the crap out of producers and distributors enough so that they end up self-censoring.

    Read about this and other items related to censorship and suppression of free speech and artistic expression at the website freespeechcoalition.com.

    I have no interest in seeing fisting films, but I do have an interest in seeing free speech protected.

  22. Budley Dickman Says:

    We wouldn’t want to be sitting down watching hard-core porno with our kids and suddenly be confronted with the obcenity that is fisting. But seriously, as long it’s not ME being fisted, fist away. No black box required.

  23. MrCook Says:

    No censorship. We have fingering, and we have large insertions. This is no different.

  24. Junkco Says:

    Let’s “SAY” we censor it, but show it to our paying viewers!

  25. Spazz Says:

    No, fisting should not be censored; it’s mild compared to the choking, slapping, spitting, hair pulling, toilet dunking, etc.

  26. Garp Says:

    No. Fisting is not as bad as sim-rape, double anal, the really..wink…really teen vids, skat. If you can show that…than fisting..no problem.

  27. Mr Handy Says:

    No. Fisting is fine.

    Censorship of anything except under-18 or otherwise outright criminal when not on film (ie non-simulated rape) is bad.

    Fisting isn’t even something that (IMO) should need a warning category; I don’t care for piss or scat or male/male stuff, and wouldn’t mind a clear and easy way to avoid them (not that I’ve noticed any of those here!) – but I’d be against banning those too.

  28. michael Says:

    YES

  29. harstad Says:

    Yes. Only because everyone else said no.

  30. butt naked with a condom on Says:

    In scene 3 of “Drunk Whores #2″ after tromboning this dude, Claire Damn clearly states “You can already get your fist in me. Start counting the fingers you can fit in my ass.” I think we can all agree we Claire when we say, NO CENSORSHIP!

  31. oldvert Says:

    Let’s censor stud dicks jerking off in porn, first.

  32. Hokie Says:

    No

  33. mst3k Says:

    In fairness and in the interest of giving this a fair shake, it should be noted that merely because other activities which are perceived as worse (that is to say, more worthy of censorship) are NOT being censored is not an argument that fisting should also not be censored. Maybe they all should be, though I’m not advancing that argument.

    Second, the issue is one of differing laws in various jurisdictions. What’s considered obscene in one area might not be in another, so this is less of an issue of US social mores broadly but rather of individual localities. Butts was prosecuted under California law, not federal law. The idea of cities, towns, or even states forbidding the depiction of fisting is a lot less odious a notion than the federal government doing so.

  34. mst3k Says:

    And, for what it’s worth, the case was prosecuted in 2001-2002. During that time, California had a Democratic governor, Gray Davis. And, except for a brief period from ‘95 to ‘96, both houses of California’s legislature has been under Democratic control since 1970.

  35. Kong Says:

    No!!! More fisting. More bukkake. More gokkun. More peeing. Viva la pornography.

  36. walken Says:

    No it shouldn’t be censored. As with most things in porn, if it’s consensual it’s all good.

  37. ropeadope Says:

    I believe we’ve reached a clear consensus. I’ll add my no censorship vote (although I’m not a fisting fan) to those above. Reading between the lines of the few cryptic comments, I would judge the current status to be 33 against and 2 in favor of fisting censorship.

    @ WTF – Funny and true.

    @ Misanthrope – Love the g/f analogy. Good points and by all means, please keep us updated.

    @ housedj69 & Jason & G man – Very well stated guys, I think you’ve gotten to the heart of the issue.

    @ fat_rush – I don’t believe it’s a question of the site you referred to allowing it, and VideoBox not allowing it. I think it all depends on the source tape. Evidentally those Nella scenes came from a distributer who chooses not to edit the fisting. In the case of this scene, Elegant Angel (not VideoBox) chose to edit it.

    @ fedor – Where you been hiding? Good to see you.

    @ zarafan – Got those two Olga Martinez scenes. Is your scene the one where she’s playing a tour guide? She and Rocco head back to her place for a quick bj. Then four escapees from a chain gang show up? Good scene, Olga is hot.

  38. Datejust Says:

    No

  39. harstad Says:

    This poll was actually serious?

  40. stuffem2 Says:

    Yes. And my testicles should be stapled to my forehead for watching it.

  41. Baltin911 Says:

    Nope. But at the same time, it should be labeled in such a fashion as one can avoid if desired.

  42. HotScooter2 Says:

    just wanted to tell Rope and Alison and all that my membership expires today. i am pretty sure i will still be able to read the blogs but not about if i can respond to a blog as a nonmember. i hope too be rejoining in the near future,as i really like this site,even if i do have to put up with my own sense of humor.All in favor of Rope and Alison for president say aye. just think SNL would start doing Alison look alikes. you go girl.

  43. ropeadope Says:

    @ HotScooter2 – Sorry to hear you’ll be leaving us but hope to see you again down the road. I know there were some health issues with your wife and yourself. I wish both of you all the best. Always enjoyed our exchanges; take care my friend.

  44. alison Says:

    HotScooter2 – I just got back and I wanted to let you know that even if you’re not a member, you’re always welcome here. You’ll be able to post comments and participate just like everyone else, so don’t be a stranger. Who else would suggest Alison SNL lookalikes? ;)

  45. Undrwriter Says:

    Hello! It’s a porn site…. show the whole thing.

  46. marca56 Says:

    No

  47. Rael Says:

    Yes! It should totally be censored. . . just trying to switch things up. Seriously, did anyone expect a yes answer, lol?

  48. SirTristram Says:

    Nothing should be censored. NOTHING!

  49. DoomGoober Says:

    Legalize Obscenity! The United States’ obscenity laws are outdated and run counter to the Constitution. Yes, there are some valid exceptions to free speech: yelling fire in a crowded theater or libel. But limiting speech simply because it’s sexual and offends people? Are you kidding me? Free Speech is specifically designed to protected offensive speech — in fact, it is offensive speech that needs the most protection. Legalize obscenity and fist away!

  50. fu_q Says:

    No.

    Nothing between consenting adults should be “obscene”.

    The whole notion of “obscenity” is antiquated and determined by the subjective “morals” of a given community. The very notion that the majority can tell the minority what it can or can’t purchase (adult material-wise) in a given location is anti-democratic and tantamount to thought control. In a democracy, there is the notion of majority rule, but always WITH AN INSINSTENCE UPON MINORITY RIGHTS. In the instances of these venue-shopped obscenity cases, the second phrase of what constitutes the ideal democracy is trounced upon. Moreover, since the areas where such materials are often found obscene are amongst the most religious, it could be reasonably conjectured that whether something is “obscene” or not depends on the prevailing religion of the area–which, quite honestly, could make any “obscenity” laws an expression of religious belief. As such, one could make the case that they violate the separation of church and state as put forth in the First Amendment. Of course, there are the obvious First Amendment freedom of expression concerns, as well.

    Additionally, what is and isn’t “obscene” depends on the “community”. How does one define the “community” in the age of the internet? And with venue-shopping taking place– coupled with the fact that the “I Agree” statements about not accessing the material from somewhere where the content is “obscene” has held no weight in recent trials–it basically means that the most conservative regions of the country can dictate what the most liberal can watch…simply b/c the internet is available everywhere.

    Finally…”obscenity” is one of the only crimes in which you don’t even KNOW that you have committed it until AFTER a jury has convicted you. The vast majority of other laws that do this type of thing have been thrown out as unconstitutional. (Miller was a bad decision.)

    Fisting isn’t “obscene” everywhere–it is widely available in NYC and San Francisco, for instance.

    Coming down off of my soap box now.

  51. ILoveCock Says:

    no way..its not offensive!

  52. guyvader722 Says:

    no. is it the fact that its someones fist and arm, because they use dildos that are shaped the same or just as big. in any event the black bar is a little much, in some japanese porn the pixelate and you can still kind of see whats going on. a black bar makes me thing that something actually horrable is going on like blood gushing out, or you can see her hand clearly in her abdommon. once again no censor on fisting.

  53. Jim Says:

    No, I agree fisting should not be censored. The primary reason I am against the censorship of fisting is the plethoa of porn scenes, distributed in the United States, depicting sexual acts of an equal or greater degree of extreme physical contact between actors which are allowed to go uncensored. Sexual acts of this level of contact include, in my opinion, torture, choking, gagging, and slapping. I see no reason why fisting should be censored when these sexual acts are not. I believe any mainstream sexual act – fisting is definitely mainstream – should be made available for each viewer to decide if they wish to view it or not.

    On another note, in April of this year, in the post “So You Want to See Some Fisting?” concerning the fisting scene in the classic movie, “Candy Strippers”, Alison commented to a fellow viewer, “…when our new categories finally roll out (in a few months), there will be a fisting category.” What is the status of the addition of a fisting category? Would this happen before the end of the year?

  54. Bhazor Says:

    No, I don’t think any porn should be censored when all involved are consenting adults.

    But I do think this site needs more descriptive tags so that it is easier to avoid the stuff that makes you squeamish. In my case that would be anal cream pies, transexuals, male penetration and yes fisting. Also as your library expands this issue will become more pronounced. If you’re looking for an example of tagging I think ********** has the best tag system around though it could do with an editor.