Does Familiarity with Porn Stars Breed Contempt?

Perusing the porn star list this morning, I started thinking about what makes a porn star unpopular. Audrey Hollander is a pretty girl who’s made a lot of porn, but she’s not the most popular starlet with VideoBox members (to put it mildly). I had to wonder if those things were connected in some way.

Does the number of scenes a star has on VideoBox affect how popular she is on the site? I hypothesized that the answer was yes. Then I wrote a script to gather up 1,000 stars’ scene counts and popularity ratings. Shortly thereafter I was disappointed to learn that those things appeared to have nothing at all to do with one another. Even the stars with the top 25 scene counts didn’t correlate well with popularity (or lack thereof).

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I went back to the drawing board. What was it that people disliked about Audrey? Was it her willingness to do more, shall we say, extreme scenes? New question: How does the willingness to engage in gangbangs on camera relate to popularity?


No dice. There was a slightly stronger negative correlation in this case (-0.22 vs. -0.12 if you’re interested), but it’s still pretty weak, overall. Missy Monroe was the gangbang queen of this group and her popularity rating is still a respectable 46%. In fact, she rated one percent higher than Kat, who’s done far fewer gangbangs, and a few percent below Cytherea, who has done none.

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As the day (and my curiosity) was winding down, I decided to try one last hypothesis. Maybe it’s not about a girl’s willingness to participate in circus sex, but our overall exposure to her colon. Maybe anal fatigue is at work here?

In a word: nope. Even though it had the strongest negative correlation to popularity of all (-0.33), it was just too weak to be satisfying.

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In the end, why we’re attracted to some girls rather than others probably has less to do with whether they do anal than how excited they seem while they’re doing it. You can probably see the same girl have sex 200 times and never get enough because she turns you on (the married women of the world certainly hope so).

What makes a girl stand out for you? How she looks? How “dirty” or “innocent” she seems? How turned on she gets during her scenes? Or is what attracts us to our favorite porn stars not so easily defined?

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33 Responses to “Does Familiarity with Porn Stars Breed Contempt?”

  1. housedj69 Says:

    Definitely her level of enthusiasm. There are many drop-dead gorgeous women in porn that are boring to watch (eg.Amy Reid). For me it’s not so much what they’re willing to do, but if they’re able to enjoy themselves, or at least fake it really convincingly. A perfect example of this is Dani Woodward. She’s a good looking girl, but her enthusiasm elevates her above most other women. She makes you believe that she NEEDS cock to survive, and that makes for good porn.

  2. HotScooter2 Says:

    Alison:

    i really don’t think it is Audrey that is the turnoff but rather Otto. Also i don’t think number of scenes is that relevent in general. Peaches and Gauge have a tremendous appeal and have not done that many scenes. I am referring to the peaches from Louisiana.
    i am also turned on by enthusiasm which is why ii will always be aroused by Hailey Paige. Peaches and gauge also have that enthusiasm. Hailey is one that of course has many scenes on VB,and was very popular prior to her untimely death. i don’t think her passing increased her popularity alll that much but i am sure that is subject to debate

  3. Howardzinn Says:

    Some girls just get too nasty which is a bit of a spoiler. A girl licking a dudes ass or gang-banging 8 dudes really does ’spoil’ her a bit for me.
    So as much as I like the look of Sasha Grey, she isn’t as attractive to me because she goes a bit extreme. Another example is Amber Rayne – a little petite cutey who I like the look of, but after seeing her in scenes where she gets brutalised and fucked by 5 dudes I don’t find her as hot.
    Audrey Hollander was hot as hell in the early days, see some of her scenes here on VB. But as she did more extreme anal scenes she just lost that hotness for me.

  4. Papayaman1 Says:

    I think you can never hit on one factor because each of us looks for a different set of characteristics in our favourites. Generally speaking tit jobs, large tattoos and piercings spoil the deal for me. I tend to like it when a girl reacts in a way I can see as natural, which tends to mean that the sort of extreme reaction Kelly Wells often displays strikes me as a bit fake, although I do like some enthusiasm. When you see a fresh looking girl doing naughty things that is a turn on. But there are always going to be people who are either not bothered by tats, piercings and tit jobs or who actually like them. Similarly some will probably like to see a girl howling the house down while she has sex. Even then these criteria are not absolute. For example, Adrianna Nicole has way too much ink (that hip tattoo – what was she thinking), but I so enjoy her general look and her level of engagement in her performances (enthusiastic, but not utterly over the top) that I enjoy her scenes.

    As to why Audrey tends to be unpopular, I think a part of it is that she has a very particular look, which some will like, but a lot wont. She also does tend to that hyper level of enthusiasm that comes across to some as fake. And I think Hotscooter has a valid point in that much of her work is with Otto who comes across in a spectacularly creepy manner. Combine all those things with over -exposure and you get a negative reaction that is not as evident with other well exposed stars such as say Aurora Snow, Jenna Haze, or Roxy Jezel. Although it may be worth noting that Audrey has over 200 scenes on the site, whereas the others have over a hundred, but nowhere near as many as Audrey.

    I’d just like to conclude by saying what a pleasure it is to see Howard Zinn on the site. It gives me a thrill to know I am sharing my thoughts with such an eminent scholar.

  5. Gatos Says:

    This is tough. But I’ll try:
    I think it is

    (a)=(l+i)*n+(e/au)/s

    where
    l = looks
    i = level of perceived innocence
    n = nastiness
    e = enthusiasm
    au = authenticity
    s = number of scenes

    But then again, I think, no. To sum it up: I have no idea but still I could watch scenes of , say, Angel Dark all day while I have deleted all but maybe three scenes of, say, Audrey.

  6. marzipan Says:

    Alison, congratulations for framing some interesting questions and digging through VBs trove of data to find answers. I’m pretty much in agreement with other comments. I’ll bet it will be very hard to find correlations with measurable parameters. Things like attitude, appearance, chemistry with actors and similar less tangible things are what do it for me. I’ll also chime in on Sasha Gray. She is cute and enthusiastic. I don’t have any problem with pushing the limit on various activities as she does. I kind of like it. Here’s the but (one t), most of her scenes fall short. They are not very appealing to me despite the obvious plusses mentioned earlier. It is difficult to describe what’s missing. It is very subtle. Perhaps, it’s whatever porn substitutes for plot or character development. Good camera work helps. Showing the right angle at the right distance at the right time is important. Maybe “dialog” is an issue. Mindless repetitive moaning, oh-baby’s and the like are a turn-off. Perceived spontaneity is a plus.

  7. petermc Says:

    With Audrey it’s nothing to do with how extreme she is or how many anal scenes (I generally go for anal scenes). I just don’t find her sexy to look at, simple as that, if I saw her out in a club, I wouldn’t give her a second look. There are some pornstars who are not that attractive but their sheer filthiness means they turn me on. Chelsea Zinn would be an example of someone I was not into at all and then just one scene can suddenly turn it all around and you go searching for all of her scenes. Not sure what the X Factor is but I generally like stars who have sexy round asses, do anal and talk filth throughout the scene. Sometimes though you have women that are so beautiful, like a Monica Sweetheart for example that I can forgive the lack of talk and just watch a supermodel having anal sex on camera.

  8. Strangepork Says:

    I don’t tend to pick favorites much. I am much more into variety. For me, seeing a lot of the same performer tends to lead toward apathy towards them. If a performer has 100 scenes, I’m pretty likely to get bored before I see them all, but if she only has 10, I might eventually watch them all. Also, many performers tend to only have a few outstanding scenes, and seeing their more mediocre work can dilute their appeal. I’d rather re-watch an amazing scene than see new stuff that doesn’t live up to the same quality I’ve seen from them before. Why shoot 100 scenes if only 5 of them are worth watching? I think many in porn have forgotten an old show business motto: Always leave them wanting more.

  9. whodat5 Says:

    To be completely honest, I think “the grass is always greener” philosophy is true here. Most people don’t want to watch something they already get all the time. Thats why anal and threesomes are popular genre’s as are large breasts and young (18+) girls. It basically comes down to preference, and thats usually what you’re not getting on the regular. I think this is where the fantasy/reality ends, because in interviews with nevada “ranch” girls, they state most johns tend to pick a girl that is somewhat similar to their signifcant other. I guess when all the chips are on the table, men tend to pick a girl close to what their accustomed to, but in fantasy, anything goes.

    What does it for me is a girl who can really move it, like Naomi or April Flowers, I guess becase this is something I personally have never experienced, it turns me on all the more.

  10. Gatos Says:

    quote Strangepork: “I think many in porn have forgotten an old show business motto: Always leave them wanting more.”

    Excellent reminder!

  11. MrTea35 Says:

    Maybe you should do a correlation between scenes with lee stone and or dropping loads douchebag. See what the popularity is with those variables in or out.. that would be interesting.

  12. Mister Handy Says:

    A lot of it may be enthusiasm, but some of it for me is just looks. There are types I go for, and some girls just don’t do it for me. Of the ones mentioned above, Missy Monroe and Cytherea hit my “hot” buttons; Kat and Audrey Hollander don’t.

  13. catamaranman Says:

    My opinion of Audrey changed when I saw the BTS from the Hustler “I Love Lucy” spoof. They posed political questions which I feel she answered intelligently (I did agree with her opinion, but it was decently articulated), I found her to be a smart, well-spoken woman vs some other pornstars interviews. Of course, we don’t look at the scenes for their brains! However, it made her more attractive to me. A real woman, yet willing to do whatever. That is a fantasy come true. That is porn for ya….

  14. Strangepork Says:

    I would agree with HotScooter’s comment about Otto above. The guy just skeeves me out more than just about anyone else in porn. And so Audrey is skeevy by association.

  15. BigD78 Says:

    I have to agree wholeheartedly with what Papayaman1 said about it being difficult to quantify what makes a pornstar popular because we all come here looking for different things. I tend to watch particular scenes because they have someone or something in it that turns me on, usually a particular look (petite blonde teens or natural busty blondes in my case) or a particular type of action that really turns me on (believably intimate one-on-one scenes & creampies in my case again). I’m sure it’s much the same for the others. Those who watch Sasha Grey probably do so because they like her look or the things she does in her movies.
    Also, I have to agree with what Strangepork and Whodat5 said as well, also excellent points. Pork suggested that its about apathy after overexposure, which is also what Whodat suggested in his mention of people “not wanting what they’re already getting” (paraphrase), which is just as true in the porn we’re getting a lot of as it is in what we’re getting in real life. I guess too much of anything tends to get old after awhile, especially if it didn’t already turn you on.
    I’m not sure if popularity really can be easily quantified, it’s probably a whole lot of luck and doing the right thing at the right time in the right way (the lucky break).

  16. bobsipod Says:

    I can tell you one thing. There are some girls i just consider too attractive to masturbate to. I can remember this being a major turnoff when Jenna Jameson was so big. It took me a long time to get into Jenna Haze and Bree Olson, though i overcame that because Haze has the best hip movement in porn, and Bree’s cute factor is off the charts. A great level of enthusiasm does wonders when mixed with an unusual element. Sophie Dee’s accent, or first seeing Isabella Soprano on HBO, for instance. It should also be noted that Videobox isn’t the only place we’ve been exposed to most of our favorites, so any Jenna Haze fan would know that her anal ratio on VB isn’t close to her overall count. Basically, a fan is a fan, and would five star a lackluster scene just to boost her ratings.
    Also, somebody mentioned Audry Hollander answering questions well, and that it made her more enticing. A friend of mine, who is also a member, would find this to be a turn off, so to each, his own. Me? I find both extremes of the intelligence factor to be a turn on. Mensa member? Friggen hot! Needed a job coach for your casting couch audition? Also friggen hot!

  17. PinkPanther Says:

    For me, it’s looks and performance.

    If a porn babe looks great and gives a great performance, she doesn’t have to be the nastiest – and she doesn’t have to be the most innocent – but she has to be willing to give a performance that says more than “OK, you can fuck me since I got paid.”

    Amy Reid, at her best, is an amazing tease, and shows off that stupendous bod as well as anyone that has ever done porn.

    Jenna Haze puts her all into every scene and her dirty-talking is awesome as are her sexual performance skills.

    Audrey Hollander? Meh. There are babes that are instant downloads and others that are “I’ll pass”. She’s on my “pass” list.

    One of the most amazing of the newest girls, for my tastes – Amia Moretti/Ami Miley (I can never remember which is her current name) – Hot, Hot, Hot!

  18. Ihavenoname Says:

    Petermc said it best, Audrey just isn’t attractive. I think it’s all about the look of the girl. Who wants to look at the girl next door if she’s ugly and her friend is hot? Well in porn if someone isn’t attractive, you can find someone else who is. My favorite is Alexis love. She isn’t nasty or nearly as skilled as some girls, but she is so pretty that it doesn’t matter

  19. alison Says:

    housedj69 – So true. It’s a shame how many beautiful girls are so clearly not enjoying themselves that it ruins the scene.

    HotScooter2 – I think you definitely have a point about Otto. If the guy is awful, he can totally ruin a scene (ahem, Nick Manning) with even a great girl.

    Howardzinn – It seems like most girls, when they go down that road, kind of lose their looks too. I have to assume that getting gang banged for a living is pretty rough and it shows on these girls’ faces after a while.

    Papayaman – Girls like Kelly Wells who scream and wail are a little confusing to me, but I don’t have a huge amount of first-hand knowledge of how women (who aren’t porn stars) act in the bedroom to reference. You know what’s weird though? Otto Bauer is perfectly nice and non-creepy in real life.

    Gatos – Even if the formula isn’t quite right, it’s interesting to see what the variables are. I imagine some people might try to factor in personality or height or breast size or some other thing that wouldn’t matter to the next person. It’s really fascinating to me.

    marzipan – Thank you. I feel the same way about Sasha. She almost seems robotic to me in her scenes and while she’s ridiculously hot, there’s something missing. It’s a real shame.

    petermc – Your own mood is probably as big a factor as anything else when you’re looking for a scene to watch. Sometimes it’s a Chelsea Zinn day and sometimes it’s a Monica Sweetheart day.

    Strangepork – They say variety is the spice of life. Do you tend to look for the “new girls” movies, or is there just enough variety out there in general that you don’t have to seek new girls out?

    whodat5 – It makes a lot of sense to look for the things you can’t get in life. That’s really interesting about the guys choosing prostitutes that look like their wives. I wonder what that’s about.

    MrTea35 – That sounds like an excellent research question, but man, it’d be tough…and not just because VB doesn’t credit male performers.

    Mister Handy – I’m really trying to imagine what the common thread is between those sets of girls.

    catamaranman – I find smart porn stars more attractive too. I didn’t have a real conversation with Audrey the time I met her, but she was really nice and kind of demure.

    BigD78 – I tried to quantify popularity in this case based on the stars’ ratings, which are a composite of a couple of measures (scene ratings being the main one). That said, I think you’re right that you really can’t lump everyone together when it comes to what’s attractive and what isn’t.

    bobsipod – Haha, I suppose you’re an Asia Carrera fan then?

    PinkPanther – I haven’t heard of Ms. Moretti/Miley. I’ll definitely check her out.

    Ihavenoname – Well put.

  20. Strangepork Says:

    I don’t make a point of seeking out movies that focus on new girls, but I have enjoyed quite a few of them. It is sometimes surprising how good someone can be in their first scene, but others can take a few scenes to get up to speed. When I’m looking for “new” I don’t necessarily mean new to the business or even newly released – just if I haven’t seen much of her yet, she is new to me. It doesn’t mean I won’t re-watch a good scene later on, or seek out more from a girl that I really like, though – just that I have a hard time picking favorites because it seems I’m often in the mood for something different. And if a girl has done 100 scenes, what is going to be different about scene number 101?

  21. Nakanza Says:

    I could watch Lexi Belle for the rest of my life and not get bored.

    Also, I think it has a lot to do with the situation in the scene. For example, young stars who are thin and look like teenagers; if they are dressed as schoolgirls, then I could also watch these scenes without getting bored.

    Mass produced porn with fuzzy edges pretending to be art bore the shit out of me. A great example of this is Private; porn pretending to be what it’s not.

  22. hornio Says:

    Audrey – after her debut at least – usually looks like she put her soul away in cold storage. That deadness behind the eyes, plus the sulfurous scent of the evil Otto, is enough to turn me off. The women who do it for me are those who appear to be into what they’re doing….

    Apart from that it doesn’t matter to me whether we’ve seen a performer hundreds of times or only once – as long as the girl takes it The Real Way, appears to enjoy it, and actually looks like she’s getting fucked spontaneously instead of being put through the same stale choreography.

    Gangbangs, All Hole Access, reality/natural settings, and love of cum all FTW!

  23. Adcjr83 Says:

    This is a question that really probably has no definite answer. I think it might tie into what you think is sexy about a girl in your everyday life that makes certain pornstars appealing to you. For example I happen to like natural tits. Doesnt matter if they are A to D if they are natural It appeals to me. Daisy Marie was a top star in my book same as Teagen. Once they got their tits done I dont watch any of their tit job scenes. Also I have tattoos so the girls of the Alt-porn genre Would also appeal to me more than some of the other members of videobox. But I think the reason why Audrey gets a bad rap is because she got exposed very quickly on VB. I remember when there was a new scene of hers like every 2-3 days. Maybe its oversaturation that has caused her to get flak. For example the Yankees have won more World Series than any other team in MLB. People get tired of the same shit, so when the yankees are inthe World Series if your team doesnt make it you will root for anyone to beat the Yankees. I dont know if its right just my opinon. It might come down to what you think is attractive on a female or Male that makes the popularity of Pornstars.

  24. bobsipod Says:

    Yes, Alison. I was a huge Asia fan. She may actually have contributed to my liking anal because she did it so rarely, I’d only heard she did anal for so long, without seeing it. I finally saw “A is for Asia” with the double dildo, and thought i’d found the holy grail. i’m gonna go watch that now, as a matter of fact…

  25. HowardZ Says:

    But srsly, early Audrey Hollander was jaw droppingly hot imo. http://www.videobox.com/beta/member/flash.seam?subTab=&playDvd=false&thumbsOffset=0&raId=-1&cid=300894&mainTab=browse&contentId=86770&offsetTime=1

    In the early days I’d say she would be in the top 25 hottest porn stars ever, especially if you like redheads. That’s not entirely because of the change in her looks though, but also how fresh/natural/innocent she seemed back then compared to the extreme anal beast of today. Nowadays she might scrape into my top 100…. just.

  26. Papayaman1 Says:

    Hi Alison, I wouldn’t pretend to have extensive experience of female repertoire in the bedroom, but I’ve never been with a woman who yelled as loud as Kelly Wells. As to Otto, I’m sorry if I was mean, but he’s not my favourite screen presence.

  27. Ryan Smith Says:

    Audrey is one of the most beautiful porn stars ever, i love her. however it is just disgusting in what she does is a majority of her scenes. Two dicks in the mouth is more than i can watch, but two dicks up her ass at the same time (like in 2 up the can or what ever it’s called) is just disgusting and bisexual at the least.

  28. cougarhunter Says:

    Its all about feeling as though the women are enjoying themselves.I love FFM scenes but when one of the ladies is there just to watch or touch herself while the other two are engaged it is a complete turnoff.The particular acts performed are not a huge determining factor for me but I do not really seek out the more extreme or rough stuff.

    It also is very appealing to me to have the girls look real.I dont hate a tattoo or a piercing necessarily but huge tats ( or 20 small ones )and 9 piercings are just not attractive to me.Same with giant fake boobs, inflated duck lips,and faces streched like shoe leather.Although very different in appearance I find Riley Evans,Rebecca Linares and Kelly Kline all extremely attractive for this reason.

    I turn down the volume on virtually every scene I watch.Hate the dialog,fake moaning and cheesy music.

  29. dgporn Says:

    Association is totally personal but possibly relevent. If an adult actress resembles a friend/movie star/collegue I’m infatuated with all of a sudden the above discreditors seem to mean a lot less. I just saw Avatar so I wouldn’t be surprised if VB sees increased interest in blue porn stars.

  30. pheel Says:

    Regarding Audrey and Otto, I don’t think its overexposure, but the Otto factor. He may be a great guy, but I don’t want to see a Howard Stern lookalike naked.

    Ever.

    Otto, congrats on getting Audrey. Shes smart and will do Anything, you are one lucky SOB. I call her HOT, just because of the open minded attitude.

  31. ophuzzah Says:

    I didn’t notice anybody disliked Audrey until there was one space of time when VB uploaded almost nothing but Audrey videos for like a day or something, and people got all up in arms. For me, I can’t handle anything that feels like it’s ‘degradation’ porn (I can’t even really handle any scene that takes place in a bathroom), and she does a lot of that.

  32. fat_rush Says:

    i think we all strive to find scenes that authenticate past experiences or fantasies. for me, natural titties are good and the sight of rib cages (anorexia) bother me. i lean twd group scenes where the girls outnumber the men where there’s sexy lingere, good foreplay and dirty talk. very often group scenes are misfilmed where opptys are missed to catch the entire group in the act (i.e., there’s too many close-ups that don’t catch some girl eating pussy whilst she’s reaching over and stroking some guys balls as he’s pounding away – naughty allie has some good group scenes). women achieving orgasm are also attn getters, and i luv to c a girl stroking her clit and getting off. some of my favorites who appear to achieve orgasm include brianna beach, brianna love, lindsay meadows, sophie sweet, nella, haley scott, brea bennett, jenni lee, dani woodward, cytherea and of course flower tucci. i need to take ur advice and watch some gage

  33. yerocef Says:

    yeah its weird because i actually love girls like sasha grey, she is really hardcore and up for anything and i really dig that, but there is something about audrey that i find somewhat repulsive, maybe its because even though i like hardcore at a certain point girls like audrey seem desensitized to taking two dicks up the ass or a cock down the throat, like its just another day at the office. i kind of put kelly wells in the same category, still kind of a turn on but she’s done so much that its no longer a thrill its just more of the same