VB3 will be the new default, VB2 will stick around for a while

Hey guys,

I just want to let you know that on Aug 31, www.videobox.com will resolve to the new VB3 site.

I know many of you have negative feelings toward VB3, but I’d like you to keep in mind:

  • We plan to keep the current VideoBox around for the near future, and
  • We will continue to improve VB3. Next big improvement is a significant overhaul of our search functionality.

Since the original launch of VB3, we have simplified its layout to look more like VB2. We have fixed lots of bugs (especially around the stash and performance). And we have introduced the “flow mode” feature (my personal favorite).

And we’re just getting started. I’m sorry for the bumpy road, but I hope you enjoy what lies ahead.

- Josh

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95 Responses to “VB3 will be the new default, VB2 will stick around for a while”

  1. Andy Says:

    So sorry to hear. But please let us know when you’ll stop the access to VB2 so we can cancel our subscription in time.

  2. siridtoo Says:

    I am also very sorry to hear your decision. I do think your making a big mistake and really don’t understand whats going on. “we have simplified its layout to look more like VB2″ Josh VB2 does not have a “simple” layout it is just designed well! It is easy to use with a clean look and powerfull features your customers like. Any chance you will step down Josh and let someone else make better decisions?

  3. Nathan Says:

    The day you pull the plug on vb2 is the day I leave videobox.
    From previous comments it looks like the majority customers are aqainst vb3 and lot of those customers have been loyal customers for years that is very disrespectful. Your content has become quite pathetic over the years. I remember the day I first joined this site I had lethal hardcore redlight district platnium x in the firt week all new stuff to those were the days. Videobox if we wanted a site that looked like a free tube site why on earth would customers consider paying for a slow site with shit content.

  4. Jim Says:

    Echoing the 2 above me. Please, let me know when you are sunsetting VB2 in time to cancel my subscription. Good luck with VB3.

  5. Jim Says:

    Better yet just tell us now what “a while” and “near future” mean. The whole redirect thing lasted about 6 weeks. I guess your numbers show that your losses will be bearable. Personally, I hit the back to VB2 button in less than 2 seconds of the site loading. I guess I am in enough of a minority that you couldn’t care less about our subs.

    P.S. You don’t happen to run Netflix too, do you? I have never seen such a trend of successful businesses deliberately driving away paying customers–especially in the current economy!

  6. someone Says:

    I know I’m in the minority for actually preferring VB3 for what it currently is, and what it has the potential to be.

    Please also remember that they’re not doing this “lose customers,” but they’ve stated before they’re contractually obligated to have VB3 be the main portal because of their contracts with Kink and Reality Kings.

    Of course they know you’re unhappy, and they’re trying to fix it. Frankly, at $15 month, you’d be hard pressed to find anything better out there.

    Trust me, I looked. Before VB3, I had WantedList, which went down hill badly. There’s no other monthly plan site out there, everything else is PPV

    I didn’t look for other sibecause of problems with VB3, but because of my own frustration with the catalog – VB’s is quite limited compared to the PPV sites, especially in the areas of stuff my wife likes to watch (gender queer, bisexual male, real lesbian, real couples) and some of my own (No Rocco directed movies) and how the fact that updates are usually old. They pushed out the Batman XXX from Vivid through the quickest I’ve ever seen and that was still months after all the media hubbub.

    However, their catalog is getting better, they noted before that with the prevalence of tube sites, more companies are signing content deals with them.

    They do have to think of their future, not just their present, and frankly the best way to survive as a pain site is to be one that is jack-of-all-trades. Basically that they can provide porn to lots of different interest groups, they need to draw in as many customers as they can and look beyond what is considered porn’s “traditional customer base.”

    I think they see VB3 as a step towards that. It is a simple interface, one that is slightly bogged down with too many features, and does fail to include some good ones from VB2, but jeebus guys, it’s just a porn site. And the content is still there.

    Josh, any chance we’ll ever see a “download entire movie” option? Sometimes there’s gaps between scenes or they don’t line up right, and sometimes its good to see opening scenes so you can find out the names of all performers, not just female, and directors. I know on newer movies directors are listed, is it possible if male performers can be listed as well? This is as much for my wife’s enjoyment (looking for guys’s she likes) as mine (avoiding guys who can’t shut up during a scene).

  7. jaykay Says:

    I concur with above poster – no need for me to say more!

  8. Jim Says:

    Since when does a business with a competent management team sign a contract that gives a 3rd party control of what the website looks like. VB2=more subs for VB which means more subs for Kink and RK. VB3=less subs for all. Simple.

  9. jfro21 Says:

    I don’t like the VB3 interface as it gives me less control over the content. This whole transition seems pointless. At least, if your going to force us who continue to subscribe ( and I may not join those who do), please make “most popular” and “recently popular” searchable by week/month…. please?

  10. Nathan Says:

    someone Says you sound like you work for them. I do not know how anyone can sympathise with vb for this garbage which is vb3. They did this to them selves most people would prefer videobox to get better content not keep adding premium channels and negleting the original videobox. The sad thing is this was once a very good site.

  11. Nathan Says:

    What pisses me of the most is vb3 is so slow compared to vb2 and it is a hassle to download anything. vb3 seems geared more towards streaming than downloading.

  12. joyeux Says:

    I’m mostly in agreement with someone. VB2 still slightly edges out VB3 for me, but I’m seeing progress on the functional areas that I’m interested in. Even better, if the software backend is easier to maintain and write code for, then there’s the potential for more rapid development.

    On the non-software side, I also second someone’s request for more complete releases (opening scenes, male performers credits), as well as the (gender queer, bisexual male, real lesbian, real couples) content requests.

  13. microphone Says:

    If the major complaints are about interface, why is search the focus of development?

  14. dontworrybhappy Says:

    I am in complete agreement with the posters who are perplexed and distressed over this “self- distruction” of what was a perfectly good website. Why change something tht works perfectly well and has a growing and satified customer base, to something so convoluted and confusing? This simply is the biggest business blunder since Coca-cola tried modifying their recipe. I for one can not even get logged into the VB3 site with success, no matter how may time I attempt to follow the “so-called” “instructions” for upgrading my browser. By the way,,,why should I HAVE TO do anything to modify my browser or computer for the sake of one stand alone web-site ?? This is the most rediculous and assinine concept I have ever encountered. How preposterous and self-serving of you.

  15. jack_black Says:

    I honestly have no problem with this as long as the OPTION to go back to VB2 exists. I use VB3 mostly now, but some things still work better on VB2.

    As long as the option is there, I’m fine. If VB2 leaves altogether, then I might as well…

  16. chickencasserole Says:

    I think people would be more receptive to VB3 if it looked more like VB2. Why not make the color scheme the same and keep as much of the layout the same as before (at least what can be preserved without giving up the new functionality).

  17. Jaymo Says:

    VB3 is unbearable, i will be cancelling if vb2 is removed.

  18. someone Says:

    I love how when ever someone on the internet supports something that everyone else complains about, they’re automatically accused of being a plant.

    I guess I honestly just don’t get it the animosity, but you’re all entitled to feel that way, but I do think it seems like VB is trying to keep you happy, they’re just not moving fast enough (And one does have to question how long it took them to put together the “flow mode” instead of improving traditional functionality).

    For the person who is complaining about needing to upgrade their browser, IE6 is dead, Microsoft itself no longer supports it. Using out of date browsers can increase your vulnerability on the web, so you owe it to yourself to keep somewhat current, regardless of whether you’re doing it in order to be using VB. But…companies should not be expected to continue to support products that the original manufacturer no longer supports.

  19. Jammerz Says:

    Still haven’t found the “Play Entire DVD” selection on VB3.
    Can this be added as an option on VB3? I would not have a problem with VB3 if this option were available. I have having to go back at the end of each scene to select the next scene in a movie.. C’mon guys, give us our favorite options.

  20. reframe Says:

    Jesus Christ, I cannot believe how much you guys have to put up with all this whining each time you make a change to the website. Let all these people threaten to “quit,” a few months, or weeks, later you will see a lot of them still be here, like the child that threatens to take his ball and go home; when no one pays attention he doesn’t go anywhere. This is the best site on the internet with price, content, DL speed, file size, and the easiness of maneuvering around the site. I remember when you first moved to VB beta or 5 posts at one time, everyone complained like they are now. The change will not be that much of a inconvenience and I’m sure you have your reasons for changing, reasons that I really don’t need to know or care to know. Get over it you big babies, this site will remain what it is, the best. The statements that this “used to be a good site,” are laughable. You guys still are, and people that think otherwise are delusional and self-serving to their “pity parties.”

  21. bamarascal Says:

    Since I mostly stream, I can live with VB3 if you would make a few mods. Would like to be able to delete from stash and download entire movie.

  22. miami Says:

    I will cancel my subscription when VB2 is no longer available. VB3 sucks. The comments are bloated with all sorts of BS graphics and related video suggestions. The navigation is crappy. VB2 is simple, informative and easy to use. Seriously guys, change for change sake is not a good thing.

  23. yellowdot Says:

    Flow mode is so good though…

    If VB2 had Flow Mode, I wouldn’t look twice at VB3. While VB3 works, it’s just not as straight forward and had weird browser incompatibilities when I first started using it. I can imagine it’s more resource intensive for people with slower computers.

    But Flow Mode…

  24. emptytriangle Says:

    I like VB 3 for some things, VB 2 for others. My main problem with losing VB 2 is it has superior search features. You can choose to narrow your search by title, star, etc. VB3 only has the “Site-Wide” search box, that is not as specific.

    Also, in the past there used to be a way to download scenes directly from the search results page. This was very convenient. Now, you have to actually load the individual scenes one by one in order to download them. This is far less convenient. Any chance of restoring this feature?

    One positive aspect to VB 3 that I like is the star-bio page that comes up when you click on an acvtress’s name. That doesn’t happen in VB2, as far as I can tell.

  25. charlie Says:

    I find myself using vb3 for longer and longer periods of time, but invariably, inevitably, like my love for early Lela over later Lela, I end up back on vb2, dreading the day it disappears for good…

    Among the reasons, as well as the things I think are improved in vb3 (this is all in yeah, we really don’t want you to know the version number but it’s the latest we swear fine you can keep your version number sheesh Firefox):

    – My blue scene ratings in vb3 show up on the scene page and the star listings, but not in the stash listings, where only the yellow ratings show up. This is not the case in vb2. If they’re in my stash, I care about my rating, not the sitewide rating…

    – Making clips in the newer clip mode in vb3 has proven almost impossible for me; the progress bar in the vb3 in-scene clipping just keeps going and going UNLESS it’s part of the scene I’ve already streamed; this is not the case in vb2, where it works just fine whether I’ve streamed that part or not.

    And you might say, “Why clip something you haven’t streamed?” Because a lot of the time, I stream scenes, stash them, and then come back later and clip the parts I want … the classic clip/custom mode in vb3 is actually better than in vb2, though, and I guess you might also say, “Well, use THAT then…” and I guess I will have to, but I’d prefer having both options usable, as in vb2…

    – It seems that the vb3 stash is designed as a set it and don’t you dare touch it again thing. Like some sort of arctic doomsday seed vault, no pun intended. Maybe a for-Eva seed vault? In other words, create a folder and never rename it or delete it. Put a video in the folder and never move said video to another folder. Don’t delete more than one video at a time. I use the stash to move stuff around. I can’t do that in vb3. We certainly have to be able to rename and delete folders. We have to.

    – Also perplexing: When you delete a video on say, page 5 of a vb3 stash folder, you’re then sent back to page 1; both the videos of page 1 and the button indicate it’s page 1. But that’s not all. The page address will still say 5, so if you want to go back to 5, and click on the 5 button, it does nothing, because it thinks it’s already on 5. So then you click on one of those page 1 videos, watch it, and hit back; now you’re on page 5 again instead of 1…

    – And is it really necessary to ask us if we really want to delete a video from our stash? Really? I can see that with a folder, you know, if we were allowed to delete them in the first place … But a scene? Worst-case scenario: We go get the video again … That dialog box should go … It does, however, add to the impression that you’ve made the vb3 stash look but don’t touch…

    And while I think flow mode is a truly great idea and have used it some, its abilities are truly and greatly diminished in lower than 2Mbps DSL, so I can’t really make use of it … perhaps this is why I can’t make clips in-scene while streaming in vb3, but if so, why can I do it just fine in vb2?

    In any case, having the vb3 stash default to date added as opposed to having to click that every single time I open vb2 is a nice thing…

  26. o221 Says:

    VB3 is like the obama health care plan – they’ll shove it down your throat whether you want it or not.

  27. thisdick Says:

    vb3 is awesome! fuck all the haters!

  28. 1900Hustler Says:

    Yeah, pretty much the disapprovers of anything will be the loudest. The people who like the change or do see it as a game-changer most likely wont post here.

    Honestly VB3 is fine by me especially with the bug fixes. It’s a little more difficult (should I just say ‘different?’) to navigate than the other VB, but not a big deal.

    Especially since this is a good deal like “someone Says:
    August 25th, 2011 at 8:31 am” says, I’m not going to cancel because of this.

    I do question if other sites content is better however and for a similar price. I wont name any here out of fairness.

    Anyway, good luck with the VB3, I think it’s fine.

    [Why is VB2 called "2" by the way? Was the transition from 1 to 2 filled with just as much controversy?]

  29. Derleth Says:

    I think charlie made most of the points I could think of (as well as some others). Mainly the Stash features are what are really bothering me. I’m currently using VB2 the most (I guess at least through tomorrow), not because it’s prettier, just that VB2 is a lot more functional for my preferences.

    I do see potential for VB3 to make for a better VideoBox all around, but I’m also not seeing this being free of problems yet. It’d be nice if the transition was seamless.

  30. LKM Says:

    My largest problem with VB3 is that it is hard to see the scenes in the videos. This is the main reason I use your site. So if you could make the new VB3 more like VB2 in that regard I would probably stay as a subscriber when you disable VB2.

  31. joyeux Says:

    Good points charlie, especially to do with stash management. I use the stash to prioritize and keep track of what I want to download and what I’ve already got. Which means that an easy way to move stuff from one folder to another in batches is key.

    You can rename folders already though. Just click on the name in the stash view, it becomes a text entry field. Type the new name and touch return or click elsewhere.

    To the coders: Thanks for fixing the My Stars stash A-Z listing. It works!

  32. Sunduby Says:

    If it ain’t broke dont fix it…

  33. keychorosus Says:

    Like many here – I just don’t understand who thought the design for VB3 was a good idea. Are there some usability areas where the current VB could be improved? Absolutely – I don’t think the current page markets itself as well as it could but it’s a lot closer than VB3 is.

    You should have done some serious A/B and Usability testing before going so far – I’m sorry you wasted so much money on the new site and are forced into contractual obligations with vendors but ultimately it’s the customers who make those vendors worth any while.

  34. Shawn Says:

    If you fix these two things on VB3, I’ll make the switch to the new site permanently. A) Let us add AND remove scenes,artists in our stash with the same toggling ease as VB2.Very annoying this is still left out. The dedicated remove page with the little trash can symbol next to each object is stupid compared to VB2 B)Why are our personal blue color ratings missing from our stashes? Very strange thing to do there guys.

  35. j Says:

    It seems to me, as an expert in UI/UX, that your development team is… challenged.
    Some of the design decisions make me think your developers are using templates from Netobjects Fusion Circa 2001. Less clicks to goal is success. Not wasting screen real estate.

    the thing that bothers me most is the flash player on vb3. on vb2, you could see upcoming clips and get an idea of where you wanted to skip to. on vb3, the black bar for the previews still exists but to see them you have to mouse over. How does this make sense?

    You do realize peoples hands are typically occupied when using that page, right?

    I know its just a porn site, but someone made these decisions explicitly and that person should be fired. or killed. but probably just fired.

  36. suffer1 Says:

    personally i like this new site now, it is fresh and has maintained enough ‘feel’ from the old site to make it familiar.

    the best thing – you still have great content.

    PS – pleased you got rid of a lot of the popuppy extra stuff. the best principle in web design is still the KIS one.

  37. Jonathan Says:

    Can you please re-introduce a link going from the scene to the dvd. If I like a particular scene, I probably want to check out the whole dvd. The link “more from this dvd” no longer exists.

  38. Mike B Says:

    Don’t do it. Let the customer drive what you do. Otherwise you’ll wind up like Blockbuster.

  39. davros Says:

    I am another one who liked the old design over the new one. And that’s all I have to say about the subject.

  40. Brambler Says:

    VB3 is crap, it’s ugly, it’s clunky… it’s a pointless forced shift to something your customers (myself included) are, for the most part, against. I don’t know the reasoning behind it, but I can very easily spend $0 a month on porn, and by spending an extra 5 minutes of looking, get the exact same thing I get here daily. Once the convenience and comfort factor or gone, I have a hard time seeing the spending continue…

  41. J.S. Says:

    Yes I must agree with the protesters against VB3, when VB2 is gone, I might go too, no mention was made of a VB3 in the signup page and no mention of getting rid of VB2. VB3 is terrible, crashes, and only runs the newest, of the rich for the rich I guess, anyways you are making a mistake forcing users like that they will just leave. Not a good business move at all.

  42. Jack Says:

    I applaud you for making VB3 more like VB2 in functionality, however the look of the interface is where VB3 falls short for me. I believe the problem is over simplification of the site and misuse of screen real estate.

    In VB2 the homepage visual focus was on the content, All links where in thin lined text. This brought attention to what frequent users look for, the most recently posted videos.
    In VB3 the visual focus is being stolen by the overly large and color saturated buttons. This may seem inconsequential but it’s enough to turn off many people who are sensitive to visually confusing design.

    There are many occasions where I haven’t found want I’m looking for in the most recent videos and I will go hunting for another dvd/scene. The homepage is really the hub for the search. Its the first place I go to for anything I want. There is a link for everything and its not overbearing! In VB3 the homepage lost most of its links. I think its leaving a lot of people lost.

    In design a good way to tell where visual focus is to squint to the point where everything is blurry. What you notice when everything is blurry is where the focus is. The focus needs to be on what is important and focus needs to be able to flow without competition.

    Something else that bugged my designer eye was the size of the thumbnails when viewing the scenes in a particular DVD. They are way too big.

    In a positive note: I think “Flow Mode” has the potential to be awesome! but I feel it needs some more functionality. The flow is one way only. I found myself wanting to go back in the flow to click on a video I missed while I was checking something else out. I would also like the option to go to the default page for whatever video I clicked on.

    Lastly a function that I would LOVE to see implemented would be the option only to see video I Have NOT rated. This would encourage people to rate things. VB has a better idea about what people like and want and you can easily see the videos that you haven’t viewed before.

    I know the team at Videobox is working hard to get VB3 wiped into shape and I’m sure you will.

  43. justaboroboy Says:

    I don’t care for the flow, but VB3 is pretty good even on my old computer. I was worried about it taking too many resources. There are a few things missing. (Or at least I’m not seeing them.)

    1.) When I go to the page for a scene, I don’t see a length of time anywhere. I know that if a scene is 45 minutes long, I need to skip the first ten minutes or so. Those ten minutes are usually just the girls walking around with some crappy techno playing.
    2.) speaking of crappy techno, I wish we could suggest some categories. I’m not saying crappy techno should be a category, but it’s nice to know if they are just playing music the whole time, or the film is dubbed, or if this is just a shoe flick…
    3.) Of course, it might help to check the comments, but as soon as I check the comments the rating stars go away. It would be nice to have both.
    4.) Also, this is a bit nit-picky, but could you stop calling it WMV high. There isn’t a WMV low anymore. It’s a bit like going to Starbucks and ordering a tall.

    Other than doing those things, the new site is cool. I hope you guys don’t mess with the recommendations too much. You do an extremely good job at recommending videos.

  44. BoomPow Says:

    If you take away the original site i will cancel my subscription.

  45. BikeNerd Says:

    Keep VB2 around as long as you can…. Who wants to downgrade?

  46. Joeblow Says:

    I am against vb3 as well. I really don’t see the need for a bunch of silly features that 99% of people will ever use. All we need is a simple search engine, like we had on vb2. One that lets you search the names of stars, movies and select niches. That’s it! we are jerking off to the porn, not to all the fancy bells and whiltles that your site tech guys can come up with. That stuff might turn them on.. but it’s the porn itself that matters most. Just keep it simple and all the clutter to a minimum.

  47. hankdog2 Says:

    9-1-2011: I am trying to log on. Am told that the OLD SITE will still be around for awhile. Cannot get to it. Can you please tell me how I can get back to the old site? Also, can you please tell me how to get to “my comments” on the new site? Don’t like the new site much FWIW. Thanks.

  48. FFFUU Says:

    WHY U NO LISTEN TO CUSTOMERS??? we don’t need that vb3

  49. Joe Says:

    It’s clear the change is a mistake- add one more to the long list of customers that will be cancelling.

  50. steve Says:

    bye bye

  51. foobar321 Says:

    dito; if vb2 is gone, i’m gone too.

  52. seb Says:

    Will cancel the day you drop version 2. New site is unusable and looks shitty.

  53. billybobby2513 Says:

    Lipstick on a pig. Unless you improve your new content, all the gee-whiz in the world won’t get me to renew.

  54. Bill Says:

    I would like you add the capability to view an entire DVD in VB3, like the old site.



  55. Nathan Says:

    Unless I am mistaken It looks like the premium channels on vb3 cost more than on vb2 even know I have puchased a 10 month term they want to charge you a fee every month on vb3.
    The only reason I am still a member on this site is because of evil angel premium channel the standard stuff is junk nowdays. So basically I am being forced on a shit site and have to pay more for evil angel. Also videobox can you stop redirecting people let people chose what site they want to visit.

  56. Matt Says:

    My two cents: I have not really been looking forward to the change to VB3, but now that I have used it a bit more, I like it a lot. The quality of the images is great, and the layout is good after getting used to the differences.

  57. dirtydude Says:

    Josh: Try loading VB2 on a fast android device, and see how quickly the site pulls up. Now switch to VB3 and compare (if you can stand the wait). Now try navigating into a movie, and back to the homepage. Now open up the comments. VB2 zips along. VB3 is so slow, it’s basically unusable. Working on search is not going to fix that issue. If I were you, I’d focus on getting those VB3 page load times down (cutting features if necessary to get there)
    And don’t even get me started talking about the UX of the new site, and the visual design choices with your horrible color scheme. Whoever designed this: stop looking at your mission hipster web 2.0 crap, and start looking at professional applications that focus on video or video editing. Notice anything? Those UIs are basically gray, so that the focus is directed to the video, not the UI. You’re essentially dealing with a similar space, and heavily using bright orange in this kind of context is pretty much the worst choice you could have made.
    Seeing this once great site ruined by bad UX and visual design, and frontend engineering that doesn’t pay attention to how heavy the pages are getting is really, really sad.

  58. Peter Says:

    Just my two cents but I’d like to thank the VB Team for doing a good job.
    At first I was very inclined to stick with VB2 as I really liked the simplicity and easy of use of the site. But when the re-direction was introduced I started to become more familiar with VB3 and I’ve gotten to like it. While VB3 looks different, it’s actually become quite easy to use and has a lot of good features. I can see improvements even since I’ve started to use the new VB3 site, and I know that the VB Team will continue to work hard at making the site even better as time goes on.

    Content wise I realise that VB has to cater for a wide variety of tastes and that they try to reflect that in the daily updates. As I see it content will be key going forward for the new site, lets face it that’s why we are all here to begin with and the big challenge is to give VB members more of what they like, while making sure not to forget about what any one group of porn fans like. Low cost additional movies or channels maybe one way to achieve this, Big natural boobs movies from a collection of studio’s that have a large back or current catalogue of those movies /stars would be one example.

    Anyway we are all here to enjoy ourselves, so let’s keep supporting the VB Team in a positive way to encourage them to increase content and content specialisation on VB3.

  59. noved Says:

    Quite a consensus going on here. VB2 is clearly the preferred UI over VB3. As much as I dislike “me too” type responses, I definitely want to throw my preference for VB2 in the hat as well.

    Clearly, a lot of time and money has gone into developing the VB3 UI. As far as VB3’s functionality and usability, there’s clearly a lot of great work that’s gone into it. Having said that though, I don’t know what the original goals and parameters were for it’s design, but the whole VB3 UI feels like someone at VideoBox has broken one of the golden rules of software development. Just because you can do something in software, doesn’t mean you should. Yes the VB3 UI has some cool UI functionality that are standard across supported browsers (which is no easy feat by any means!). But what’s the real end user benefit provided? The desired end user benefit is quick access to great porn. Every time I get put into VB3, I find myself messing with the slick UI more than accessing the desired content. When a UI gets in the way of what user’s want to do with your product, it’s time to rethink your UI.

    Hands down, what appealed to me about VideoBox years ago when I first subscribed is your quick, easy to use, and powerful UI for accessing great porn. Now you’re messing with that success formula for no end user benefit. Why?! Personally, I have no found no benefit to using VB3 and it’s interface gets in the way far more than it should resulting in my switching back to VB2 almost every time I visit VideoBox.

    I won’t go as far as saying that if you ever turn off VB2 for good, I’ll cancel my subscription. IMO, VideoBox still has the most consistent and highest quality porn available on the net. But I will definitely start looking for a new favorite porn site because usability is almost as important to me as content.

  60. WebDevGuy Says:

    how do i sort scenes from my favorite stars in the new vb3 ?
    this feature is availabe in vb2
    i like to see what is newly added from specific stars

  61. suffer1 Says:

    from a lot of the above, it might have been a wiser move to simply freshen up the VB2 interface.

    cheaper and wouldn’t have gotten so many folks off-side??????

    BUT in the end it will come down to content, content and content.

  62. Andy Says:

    Great. VB has a blog but don’t participate or comment at all. Get into the fight. And yes, we will quit. This is def not the only porn site on the net, but it used to be one of the best and most simple and elegant. And yes, design matters.

  63. chickencasserole Says:

    I like VB2 more because on my touchpad I can scroll through the scene in order to find where I want to start.

  64. Dante Says:

    VB2, VB3. Last I checked my fapping was not affected by VB3.

  65. christian harvey Says:

    Pardon my french, but this sucks! I hate the new version. Why mess with something that made u millions. One of the main reasons your site became so popular was the easy of use and its attractive visuals. You totally blew it on this one. and after my 180 days im outta here. You lost a long time customer.

  66. revin Says:

    Damn, I just re-joined after being away for a few months and pissed that I now find out VB2 will be shut down. I was a member for years and came back expecting the same quality as before but VB3 is just slow and sucks. I prefer the old school VB2 and wouldn’t have rejoined for the term length had I known VB2 will not be available in future.

  67. blique Says:

    So long as you intend to keep VB2 around for a while, please implement an option that allows me to save my preference for it. As of right now I’m finding myself hovering over “Back to old site”, and clicking it as soon as the page loads. An extra inconvenience which should not be forced upon me IMO.

  68. candeocandotcom Says:

    I don`t have a problem with VB3. I think the design will eventually get tweaked enough to run well. I think most users are having a difficult time with change. I did not like VB3 at first but I see the potential now. Flow Mode is genius. My only gripe with VB is the lack of orgies and lesbian group sex. There is really a lot of good stuff on the net that can be had for FREE. I usually go there to get it up I would prefer to use VB for everything. Any chance of getting more variety on VB? I know this has nothing to do with VB3 but I didn`t know where else to put it.

  69. gostwyck2 Says:

    I hate VB3 too. Stop trying to re-invent the wheel. It’s supposed to a porn site not a “design experience”. You need to fire/kill whoever designed VB3 as they are clearly a waste of precious space and oxygen.

  70. SingularManX Says:

    Here’s one way to reduce defections. When you click “Contact Us” to leave, here’s what you get:

    Not Found

    The requested URL /beta/contact_us.seam was not found on this server.

    IP: 69.19.xx.xx
    Date: Sep 4 12:04:30

  71. sjwatts Says:

    I just re-subscibed to the Evil Angel channel and have tried the new VB3. But the search feature is crap. You must allow more specific searches like VB2. Other than that the new site isn’t terrible.

    Until then, back to the old site.

  72. 0x90 Says:

    So VB3 is mostly for the premium channels…
    How long do you think it will take all your other customers to figure out they can actually sign up to the main RealityKings, EvilAngel and Vivid sites for the same amount of money or *less* than you charge and get their full content in full HD instead of a new DVD in low quality every few days?
    I don’t care if you go with VB2 or VB3, but if your main-site contents continue to go down the drain, that will be a real problem.

  73. BillWa Says:

    The new site is 10X more difficult to navigate and adds no useful new features. Guys, you have this big addition of social networking – yeah, that is just what people want is to be able to post on Facebook or Twitter, “here is the video I jerked off to today – check it out”.

  74. Rich Says:

    I don’t Hate VB3, but i certainly prefer VB2 by a land slide. I’m on the fence on whether i will leave or not if/when you switch to VB3 completely … and really, the only reason i want to stay is because i have my stash all set up and i don’t feel like rebuilding it on another site. But that’s neither here nor there … the real issue here is that VB3 just doesn’t work like VB2. Searches are TERRIBLE! Just now i tried to search for a movie called “Sodom #3″ because one of the scenes was recommended on an earlier post on this blog. When i searched on VB3 it defaulted to a search of scene’s first of all … why would it do that? Who searches for scenes by title? Then, how am i supposed to get to the movie? sure, some of the scenes in the movie come up, but not all. Then i click on the movies button, thinking that i can search by movie title that way … but when i hit enter is just brings me right back to a search of scenes … very frustrating.

    Then there are things that i see potential in, but the execution just isn’t there. Flow Mode is the perfect example of this. Fantastic idea and i could see myself using that a lot, unfortunately it’s extremely buggy. Sometimes the videos never load at all. And, even if you do get it to work, it sometimes doesn’t fill the whole screen with scenes. There will often be blank sectors of the Flow Mode that should be filled by a scene. And it seems the longer you go watching in flow mode, the more and more blank sectors you get … and sometimes, eventually, the whole screen will go black and you will have no scenes at all.

    Another thing that i really hate is the inability to remove a scene from one of the folders in your Stash other than to go to that folder, find the scene and then delete it. I used to be able to just click on the “Add to my Stash” button and then click on the folder and the check box would be removed and the scene would be removed from that folder. I do this because i have a folder for “Watch Later” and “Watched” and “All time favorites” … i used to be able to watch a scene from my Watch Later folder and then after i was done i could easily move it to either my All time Fav’s or general Watched list … but now this is a much harder task.

    As for other general improvements, when using the “Only Show” button i like to narrow down things so i get the results i want. But i would LOVE for you to add a feature to actually exclude types of scenes. Like, i would love to be able to search “scenes with Anal but WITHOUT Double Penetration”. That way, i can get to exactly what i want to, faster. An “Exclude” button would go a long way in keeping my business, and i’m sure i’m not the only one.

  75. Abig Jansin Says:

    Well, I tried to leave a review earlier and it didn’t get posted. But I will try again.

    I still have problems with my stash in VB3. When I move things around, or rename folders, your new site has a terrible time with it and it struggles to display folder name changes and fails to update totals. It will eventually work and display properly, but it struggles. Sometimes it takes 3 minutes to correct, sometimes I wait until the next time I log in.

    I still dislike the colour scheme, smaller box covers, less info, crappy searches, slow-loading comments, and lack of PLAY ENTIRE DVD button…oh that is my biggest peeve with VB3.

    When I log in to the old site, I am greeted by a big picture of today’s HD release. It shows me, without hovering, who is in it and what sort of action is in the film (categories). I will truly miss that once you switch.

    I hate how when you search it defaults to scenes. I miss the old search. I like how you can filter results, but searching blows.

    Pleeeeeeeeease stop with the full-on experiment of VB3. Some things are cool, but you had a great site. Incorporate more old into the new!

  76. Steve Says:

    The new site is HORRIBLE! I can’t even count the ways in which it is inferior to the old one. Please, please, please don’t take the old one away until you have a new one that WORKS and IMPROVES our experience…

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  78. chto_tudo Says:

    Can someone explain WTF is going on? Good old times of YP were just simpler…

  79. vaidx41 Says:

    I love VB2, it is easy to use and navigate. VB3 i would get used to but it is nowhere near as easy to use as VB2 or as quick on my ipod touch to load pages.

    My problem is, and i have mentioned it before, the main way i access VB is with my ipod touch, with VB2 it was fantastic. With VB3 it is much better than it was a couple of months ago, however, since VB3 has been pushed to the forefront more i have found that on neither VB2 or VB3 that when i push the iphone option to watch a video it won’t stream more than about 30 seconds before needing to buffer. I can’t watch videos on my ipod anymore. If i leave it for 30 minutes a 5 minute clip might be watchable.

    Is this something to do with the bandwidth? I don’t know. I don’t believe it is a problem my end as everything else works fine when i stream (BBC Iplayer, Youtube etc). Is this a comment you’ve heard from other iphone users?

    Whilst i resist change like most others i would be happy to use VB3 (eventually when push comes to shove) as i think VB is a great service at a very reasonable price, but if i can’t actually watch any of the videos, and this has been going on for a month at least, then i’ve no choice but to cancel my subscription, something i don’t want to do as i’ve put a lot of work into my clips and favorite folders and as i say like what you do.

    Do you have any plans to help us ipod / iphone users out anytime soon?

  80. Andy Says:

    This is insulting. No-one answers. My subscription is up for renewal in October. 0×90 is right – this site is really pricy and there are very attractive alternatives. Please, please, PLEASE VB – do tell us why we should stay. ‘Cause it sure is not because of your ability to listen to your customers or respond to your customers. Do you even read these comments or do we waste our time trying to tell you what would make us stay?

  81. ropeadope Says:

    @ Rich – I wrote the blog recommending the scene I believe you’re referring to (Sodom #3 scene 2). I just searched for the movie / scene at VB3, and had no trouble locating it. I used the search term “Sodom 3″ without the quotation marks (I never use the number symbol [#] in my searches). I received a list of all five scenes comprising Sodom #3, along with scene 3 from Sodom #4 and scene 3 from Girls of Sodom. If you click on Sodom #3 scene 2, you’ll be taken to a page where you can download the scene, stream the scene, add the scene to your stash, etc. You can also click the movie detail button on that page, and see all the scenes from Sodom #3 (which as stated above, were all itemized in the original search). By the way, that blog was written over three years ago and I still love the scene!

  82. Don Says:

    The day VB2 is gone so am I.

  83. siridtoo Says:

    Josh if you don’t have someone to pass the CEO to that makes better decisions, someone that said you know I am not sure we are are doing the right thing early on in this process. Then maybe the issue is your surounded by “yes men”. Maybe what you need is to spend the cash you wasted on the stupid Hedge Hog ads and hire a web design consulting company to look at your contract goals, your customer feedback, and come up with a solution, some middle ground between Vb3 and Vb2 and launch Vb3.5 with some idea of what your customers want. Really man don’t put your head in the sand just ignore us.

  84. siridtoo Says:

    Just to clear up they had to go to Vb3 to keep 3rd party vendors. In no way did the vendors insist on Vb3 they just insisted that video Box be able to handle the file format they were giving, the techs at video box are no longer able to handle the Vb2 code to add the ability to take the newer file formats. Are the techs the fault or the code? who knows but Vb3 did not have to be a complete redo of site, the basic design could have been kept and updated. A smart CEO would have lauched Vb2.5 with most of the front end the same but with a complete rewrite of the back end teck stack

  85. lereiles Says:

    Mean, encode the movies in the new wmv format 3, not the old!


  86. Jammerz Says:

    Still waiting on an answer about “Play entire DVD” feature on VB3.. Can we have this feature or not???

  87. Randy Says:

    What in the hell have you done to your site? VB2 was so easy to keep track of where you were as far as downloading scenes in particular niches from old posts to new. You could keep track of page numbers, dates, and titles easily. With VB3 it is very difficult to find your place again by having to hold your cursor over a scene and wait for the information to appear. WTF?

  88. Dante Says:

    Am I the only one having issues accessing VB3? VB2 is coming up fine for me, but VB3 is hanging while loading videos. I cant see any selections at all…

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  90. asdf Says:

    Hi Josh,

    If you are overhauling the search functionality could you please allow your users to exclude categories or niches from the results? It would also be great to have a date search such as the “pick month” from VB2 in some form.

    Also, each star now have a stats page. Some have aliases, different spellings on their names or are uncredited for scenes. Is there any way of linking all the works of one actress together in the one place? Iafd lookup takes work. Some users kindly note aliases in the comments of scenes and with the right approach your users could assist or do it for you.


  91. joef69 Says:

    Have been an active member for years. Huge fan of this site. As a customer I’m offended by your amateur attempt to force new software releases on us. Every time I try to use VB3 I realize what a joke this must be to your software writers before I hit the VB2 button. I have worked for companies who released new software versions that were not fully functional and they are out of business.
    I resent this VB3 release because you know it is not ready, yet you still try to foist it on us with the threat of shutting down VB2. Stop, take 2 steps back and release a fully developed product before threatening your customer base.

  92. rockguy Says:

    It seems the new version still has a lot of bugs. For instance,when browsing My Stash the content description of the scene is now gone, so if I click on the scene it automatically starts playing. On the old version if you click on the scene it would come up and you would decide how you wanted it to play (what resolution). Sorry still not a fan of the new version.

  93. Jim Murphy Says:

    So sorry to hear you’re planning on eliminating the VB2 function. I don’t know about everyone’s opinion but I think VB3 is just plain awful.

  94. Tumufle Says:

    Please fix the ratings updating of VB3. When I rate a video that’s in my stash and then later go back to view stash, the rating is missing. I can only see my rating if I go to the video page.

  95. jimpa999 Says:

    I hate the VB3 interface (it sucks), VB2 was much better.